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Title: Our friend Joe.
Post by: ann on June 29, 2009, 09:38:25 AM

Has anyone heard from {our friend} Joe?  Wonder if he is having more health problems?  Hope not. :)
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: snowbear on June 29, 2009, 03:09:12 PM
I haven't seen him post in a while.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Joe A. on June 29, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Thank you for asking. I am well and still waiting for the burns to heal. Almost gone now. I crashed my computer by going where it didn't belong. What a pain to reboot everything. I passed the time by celebrating Fathers Day, Kamehameha Day and June 26th the day we mark the passing of Brother Iz.

It's a good time to be in Pennsylvania what with the Koreans wanting to nuke Hawai'i. I don't know. Maybe it's a good time to be anywhere. "Sometimes things are exactly what they seem to be"
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: snowbear on June 29, 2009, 04:19:04 PM
Hey Joe! happy your OK!! hang tuff sounds like your making some good progress. ;)
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Steve C on June 29, 2009, 04:46:29 PM
Good to hear you're on the mend Joe.

I have Iz's date on my phone to remind me when the day comes around. He was a mighty man and a brilliant singer. For those who haven't heard his music here is a link to what may be his most famous tune. The end of the video shows his ashes being spread into the waters of Hawaii.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ltAGuuru7Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ltAGuuru7Q)

Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Dick Stevens on June 29, 2009, 07:39:04 PM
Joe:

Yer right.  Actually it IS a good time to be in Pennsylvania.  The weather's been quite good lately.  A little hot for my tastes, but otherwise good.  No tornadoes or forest fires or droughts or floods or hurricanes or ......

Glad to hear you're healing up.  You deserve some good breaks healthwise, I believe.

Hey,Joe!  Yours truly, wearing your "Some Assembly Required" tee-shirt is on the internet.  www.armsandlegsarenotaluxury.com
Look under the tab "State legislation", in the right margin.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Steve C on June 30, 2009, 05:30:04 AM
Is that you in the red shirt and blue cap?
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: annieg on June 30, 2009, 08:03:18 AM
Dick, nice picture of you with your favorite shirt.  It took a while but I found you under the state parity tab on the top of the page. annieg
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Steve C on June 30, 2009, 12:39:11 PM
Found him! Nice picture!
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Dick Stevens on June 30, 2009, 02:44:27 PM
Yep.  That's me under the "State Parity" tab.  The photo's an oldie.  The ACA is getting its money's worth outta that one.  I don't mind, replaying my 15 seconds of fame. LOL

Once again, gotta thank Joe for the shirt.  :)
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Joe A. on July 02, 2009, 05:31:32 PM
You look great Dick. Thank you for your continuing support and crusade for health reform. I was visiting with my doctor and he was telling me about the new health bill just signed into law by Rendell.
The state government is now going to penalize doctors for "Non-compliant" patients. Watch this. At one point my A1C was 16. I've got it down to 8 - 8.5. Now you would think they should have released the doves, given me a trophy or at least want to bear my children but NO! I am considered a non-compliant patient until I get that A!C below 7. As you well know as an insulin dependent diabetic I have a slightly better chance of hitting the lottery.

When I turned 50 the doctor suggested a Colonoscopy. I said no thank you then I got a letter from my insurance company suggesting I reconsider. I did and again said no thank you. Now again I am a non-compliant patient and will be unless I get that test. As I said to my doctor,"Fat chance Booboo. See you next year"

Now there is talk of enacting a surcharge until people comply.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: pegleg jack on July 02, 2009, 06:53:43 PM
Joe A. your not the only one that is non- compliant with doctors, seems like after i turned 50 all get from them is you have to have this test and that test, and like i say no thanks, now all i hear is the i need a colonscopy and need to do it every year now that i am 65. and i have to get my blood pressure down to below 120/80 and my cholestal below 200 and have test done on my prostrat gland, and the funny thing is that my blood presure is 138/70 and my cholestral is below 300 and i can sleep all night and not have to get up and go pee, and i go to bed around 10:30 or 11:00 every night and i get up around 7:00 every morning. Read a report that us old nuts are sprouting up dasiys faster than all get out when we do get everything down the low compared to us that dont get there. so i choice to ignore my doctor on a lot of these test, most of the are so that the doctor makes more money by have them done and that increases the cost of our insurance. so i look at it like this, YOUR DAMMED IF DO AND DAMMED IF YOU DONT. And i can get out and walk about five mile now or swin in my pool and do around 10 to 15 laps, or get on my FITTNESS QUEST EASY GLIDER and go for 10 to 15 at a time for 2 to 4 session every other night.  And now she is on the high blood pressure kick agian and i have no intention of taking any med for it as long as i stay around 140/80 and i feel great. Most of these are set by the AMA and FDA, so that big PHARMA, makes  a bundle off of us in pills.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Dick Stevens on July 03, 2009, 12:34:47 AM
Joe:

An A1C of 16??  I didn't know it ever went that high.  My recent one was almost 8, and the doctor went into orbit.  (Yeah, I've been eating too much lately.  Time to get back "on the wagon" again.)  My A1C's usually hover around 7 - a bit below or a bit above.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Oneblueleg on July 03, 2009, 04:14:00 AM
You look great Dick. Thank you for your continuing support and crusade for health reform. I was visiting with my doctor and he was telling me about the new health bill just signed into law by Rendell.
The state government is now going to penalize doctors for "Non-compliant" patients. Watch this. At one point my A1C was 16. I've got it down to 8 - 8.5. Now you would think they should have released the doves, given me a trophy or at least want to bear my children but NO! I am considered a non-compliant patient until I get that A!C below 7. As you well know as an insulin dependent diabetic I have a slightly better chance of hitting the lottery.

When I turned 50 the doctor suggested a Colonoscopy. I said no thank you then I got a letter from my insurance company suggesting I reconsider. I did and again said no thank you. Now again I am a non-compliant patient and will be unless I get that test. As I said to my doctor,"Fat chance Booboo. See you next year"

Now there is talk of enacting a surcharge until people comply.

Thank god for the NHS!
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: ann on July 03, 2009, 08:08:06 AM

No thanks on the NHS....... :)
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Dick Stevens on July 03, 2009, 01:24:13 PM
Ann:

Don't be too hasty to blow off the NHS idea.  At least with that, everyone gets some level of healthcare.  In the U.S., if you're unfortunate enough to be uninsured - tough noogies!

Tying the cost of healthcare to employment is one way to drive 1000's of jobs off-shore.  It makes an American employee far more expensive than a foreign employee.

Even with the patchwork of healthcare options, too many Americans fall thru the cracks.  And, why is it that the U.S. system costs roughly TWICE as much as in any other western developed country? -- not because it is twice as good in quality-of-care.  Needless-to-say, the medical profession, the insurance industry, and big pharma just LOVE the present U.S. system - and fight hard to avoid any changes.

Why not explore the BEST of the American system AND the BEST of the various NHS systems (Canada, UK, etc.) and design a new superior system?


Don't like the idea of <shudder> "socialized medicine"?  OK.  Just give us the same taxpayer-paid first-class heathcare plan that Congress itself enjoys.  After all, "what's good for the goose is good for the gander", right?

Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Joe A. on July 03, 2009, 05:10:10 PM
You're all missing the big picture. Specially OBL. Remember a Rose by any other name still smells the same. Of what difference to my body who prescribes the same medicine to whom? If you have high blood pressure and they prescribe a drug that is ineffective on you then YOU are non-compliant.

So if you are taking your meds as prescribed and following your doctors instruction to the letter you may still be non-compliant by default. It's all going to come down to blaming the patient. As we all know doctors bury their mistakes and are notorious for not taking responsibility while drug company's all settle out of court without prejudice or precedence.

More than half of all medeical tests are ordered to cover the doctors butt from litigation. People want communism. Not just in medicine but in housing, credit, cars, windows and insulation along with free energy. ADHD became an epidemic when the government recognized it as a disability and offered a monthly stipend along with medicare. At one time they lobbied to get obesity recognized. Everyone wants to sit home and get a check.

NHS? A monarch has the responsebility to provide for their subjects. As for quality? A Bandaid is a Bandaid. We haven't had a king since Nixon (God rest his soul). Clearly a third of this country is already communist being provided food, paycheck, housing and medical care already. Now "Middle" america wants the same thing after finding themselves in the same boat.

I've said this many times. What I want is a capitalist republican country where everyone gets the full level of education so they can be limited only by their own ambition. Where they can be employed in a career and not just a job. Where they can afford their own medical coverage and live their lives to the fullest extent of the laws of man and God.

But alas.... The people spoke. They came out it record numbers to let their voice be heard. I tried. You know I did. But "they would not listen they did not know how. Perhaps they'll listen now?"
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: ann on July 03, 2009, 06:51:51 PM


We can have a NHS system...as long as its the same as our good politicians have...and not have to pay for it. but I definately do not want to have to wait months to see {for instance, a surgeon} if I need surgery.

Why do some people from Canada come down here for their health needs?  All these stories can't be false...can they?

Ahhh yes, the people spoke & look what happened.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Oneblueleg on July 03, 2009, 08:07:05 PM
Thank god for the NHS... I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the NHS... oh yeah, I'd be alive... possibly... but I wouldn't be able to afford a computer, I can't live long enough to repay what I owe, thank god for all the tax payers.

"I got a letter from my insurance company suggesting I reconsider..." wouldn't get that on the NHS
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: snowbear on July 04, 2009, 08:09:22 AM


We can have a NHS system...as long as its the same as our good politicians have...and not have to pay for it. but I definitely do not want to have to wait months to see {for instance, a surgeon} if I need surgery.

Why do some people from Canada come down here for their health needs?  All these stories can't be false...can they?

Ahhh yes, the people spoke & look what happened.


Exactely  Ann! i don't want the government involved in my medical choices especially the needs of my prosthetic care.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: pegleg jack on July 04, 2009, 09:31:37 AM
well i agree with all of you in some of your points, and i am on who does not want BIG BROTHER the goverment telling me what medical treatments i can and can not have, i have that already with MEDICARE. which i feel i earned to have by working the number of years that i needed to work to qualify for it. sure i got it earlier than mosts but due the the  goverment and tabaco companies, i  am in the condition that i am in, and down here in TEXAS, the ones that voted for NOBAMA, are now coming to thier senses that they voted to wrong person in to office, just like when i first got down here you didnt dare say anything wrong about GWB, now they cuss the heck out of him. for what he didnt stop or do.

We dont need NHS, we need to force the medical people to come down on what they charge us, right now just for an office visit it runs around 165.00 and most of the nurses are making 80,000.00 and up a year, some of them out in california before i left were making over 100,000.oo a year, we just got a bill for two (rpt) two x-rays for my wife and it was 117.00, so now you tell me why the doc's and nurses's live in big fancy homes and drive the latest and fancest cars on the market,

And yes the CANADIAN'S are coming down to the states to get thier operations done because of the long wait up there to get anything done, because a lot of the live saving operations they need, they have been told that they dont need them, and also most of them are over 65, and in a NHS program those are the last ones to get treatment, this new health plan they are dreaming up for us here in the states have mentioned that very thing that us that are over 65, are not productive enough to need the treatment.

SO IN CLOSING I PERSONNALLY DONT FEEL WE NEED A NHS!
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: snowbear on July 04, 2009, 09:45:40 AM
Right on Jack! You bet your Prosthetic leg "they" voted for the wrong man in office!! >:(
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: ann on July 04, 2009, 01:53:26 PM

I really do not have anything against Pres. Obama...{Honest truth here} but for instance when running for the top office he ran John McCain down on we might have to pay taxes on insurance payments...now he's going to do the same thing.  When he was running there would be no increase in middle america's taxes....better hang onto every penny you find cause you are 'gonna need it.

I still believe if they want everyone covered with insurance,...[color FINE=red] let us have what congress & our president has.  Same coverages for life!!

Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: ann on July 04, 2009, 02:05:30 PM
Thank god for the NHS... I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the NHS... oh yeah, I'd be alive... possibly... but I wouldn't be able to afford a computer, I can't live long enough to repay what I owe, thank god for all the tax payers.

"I got a letter from my insurance company suggesting I reconsider..." wouldn't get that on the NHS


Oneblueleg,

Are you tellling me you can receive coverage with no payment {on your part} for all your prosthesic items ??  And what is this about your insurance company?  And what about taxes...how are they paid in your area?  If you don't want to tell me, that's OK too.  I just want some facts on NHS as we have no idea what it really would be.

 :)
Thanks, ann
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Joe A. on July 04, 2009, 04:28:01 PM
People on NHS systems would always want you to think it's free. It comes from taxes. Some pay 80% and more. It's an illusion. In the U.S.they say, "Don't worry your insurance will pay for it" Who do you think pays the insurance company?

Yes it is true that people from Canada often come here rather than wait for important things like open heart surgery. Yes they do factor in the economic malfeasance of who gets what and when. People in the U.S. who need elective surgery often travel to Costa Rica where they get better service for far less money.

Tax insurance? You already pay income taxes on Social Security stipends depending on other income. NoBamma wants to tax insurance premiums paid by an employer as income. Then he'll be sniffin around unemployment benefits. Someone has to foot the bill. You can't give better goods and services without raising taxes.

He flat out said, "We're going to lower the cost of prescriptions to the elderly and poor by charging more to the 'Folks" who can afford them". That's Marxism plain and simple and I aint talking Groucho.

Social Security is by no means a Social program. It is an insurance policy premium that most Americans are required to pay. Even then it takes most people Two years and an attorney to collect then two more years to get part "B"? That's just not right. Like any other communist country there is no incentive to excel. "The more you make, The more they take" has taken on a whole new meaning.

OBTW a Registered nurse on Maui starts at $65.00 dollars per hour
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Joe A. on July 04, 2009, 04:42:21 PM
Lets see... You get

$8000 credit to buy a home
$3000 credit to buy a car
$1500 to install new windows
$800 for a new hot water heater
$Who knows, to install a windmill
And now some of the most liberal bankruptcy laws the country has ever seen?

Oh say. Does anyone know a Practitioner who will accept 9 cents on the dollar for his bill?
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Oneblueleg on July 04, 2009, 08:19:48 PM
Thank god for the NHS... I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the NHS... oh yeah, I'd be alive... possibly... but I wouldn't be able to afford a computer, I can't live long enough to repay what I owe, thank god for all the tax payers.

"I got a letter from my insurance company suggesting I reconsider..." wouldn't get that on the NHS


Oneblueleg,

Are you tellling me you can receive coverage with no payment {on your part} for all your prosthesic items ??  And what is this about your insurance company?  And what about taxes...how are they paid in your area?  If you don't want to tell me, that's OK too.  I just want some facts on NHS as we have no idea what it really would be.

 :)
Thanks, ann

Hi Ann, we pay 10% of our income to look after our citizens, and I'm more than happy to do so. Some of us really need it, some will never need it... but no one I've met minds... we look after our fellow countrymen. As for the insurance reference, the point I was trying to make was we never need to explain to anyone why we make a decision, it's always up to us.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Steve C on July 04, 2009, 09:29:44 PM
All I know is when I was injured I was suddenly out of work. I was put on a injury benefit and was issued a medical card. All visits and prosthetic legs were paid for by the Irish state. No out of pocket what so ever.

After my settlement I gave up my medical card (and my free legs). I was barely working but didn't believe in getting things free when I could pay for them. Thats where it stands now.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: snowbear on July 05, 2009, 09:10:14 AM
You're all missing the big picture. Specially OBL. Remember a Rose by any other name still smells the same. Of what difference to my body who prescribes the same medicine to whom? If you have high blood pressure and they prescribe a drug that is ineffective on you then YOU are non-compliant.

So if you are taking your meds as prescribed and following your doctors instruction to the letter you may still be non-compliant by default. It's all going to come down to blaming the patient. As we all know doctors bury their mistakes and are notorious for not taking responsibility while drug company's all settle out of court without prejudice or precedence.

More than half of all medeical tests are ordered to cover the doctors butt from litigation. People want communism. Not just in medicine but in housing, credit, cars, windows and insulation along with free energy. ADHD became an epidemic when the government recognized it as a disability and offered a monthly stipend along with medicare. At one time they lobbied to get obesity recognized. Everyone wants to sit home and get a check.

NHS? A monarch has the responsebility to provide for their subjects. As for quality? A Bandaid is a Bandaid. We haven't had a king since Nixon (God rest his soul). Clearly a third of this country is already communist being provided food, paycheck, housing and medical care already. Now "Middle" america wants the same thing after finding themselves in the same boat.

I've said this many times. What I want is a capitalist republican country where everyone gets the full level of education so they can be limited only by their own ambition. Where they can be employed in a career and not just a job. Where they can afford their own medical coverage and live their lives to the fullest extent of the laws of man and God.

But alas.... The people spoke. They came out it record numbers to let their voice be heard. I tried. You know I did. But "they would not listen they did not know how. Perhaps they'll listen now?"

I agree fully Joe. :)
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: pegleg jack on July 05, 2009, 10:21:32 AM
here is another thing that hasnt been mentioned and us on SOCIAL SECIURITY, We pay every month i believe that it is up to 99.20 a month for MEDICARE part B, and depending on your income it even goes higher, so to those you think we are getting a free ride look agian, and there is a  lot that MEDICARE wont and dosent cover, we found that out when the wife had her ROTOR CUFF surgery, am still trying to pay that off, the operation was around 63,000.00  and we had to pay 3000.00 out of own pocket cause of thing that she need and MEDICARE didnot cover it.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Oneblueleg on July 05, 2009, 02:13:58 PM
here is another thing that hasnt been mentioned and us on SOCIAL SECIURITY, We pay every month i believe that it is up to 99.20 a month for MEDICARE part B, and depending on your income it even goes higher, so to those you think we are getting a free ride look agian, and there is a  lot that MEDICARE wont and dosent cover, we found that out when the wife had her ROTOR CUFF surgery, am still trying to pay that off, the operation was around 63,000.00  and we had to pay 3000.00 out of own pocket cause of thing that she need and MEDICARE didnot cover it.

Thank god for the NHS...
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Oneblueleg on July 05, 2009, 02:15:59 PM
People on NHS systems would always want you to think it's free. It comes from taxes. Some pay 80% and more.

Wrong...
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: ann on July 05, 2009, 03:09:16 PM
Pegleg Jack,

I don't think we are going to get an increase in social security either...to take care of the increase in cost.  It sure is starting to smell bad isn't it.  Also I am being told that medicare will only pay for prosthetic legs every 3 to 5 years...is this right?  Plus you always have to pay a difference in what they pay & what your prosthetist charges.


Oneblueleg,

We are already paying way more than 10% taxes...to take care of our poor...BUT...a large % wouldn't work if they had jobs. {sorry Dick, but it's the truth}.  I agree at the present time, we have alot of people laid off that do want to work and I feel everyone should help them out.  Church, food banks, etc. that members plus the govt. subsidizes with food & money.  But Hey, don't increase our taxes too.    :(

I wish I had the answer to this problem & many others we face.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: snowbear on July 05, 2009, 09:52:51 PM
I'll keep out of this one! ;D :D
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Dick Stevens on July 06, 2009, 04:03:53 AM
Ann:

At present, Medicare pays 80% of DME, which includes prosthetics.  Many insurance companies, including Blue Cross, follow suit and pay just 80%.  That leaves 20% for the consumer to pay, and 20% of a prosthesis can be a healthy hunk of change - at least in our household.  This would also include wheelchairs, canes, crutches, walkers, hospital beds and so on.  And, most of this stuff is priced outrageously high.

As I understand, they allow for a new prosthesis every 3 to 5 years under normal conditions.  For growing children, it would have to be more often.  In the months after amputation, most go thru much atrophy and shrinkage of the stump, which requires new sockets more often at first.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Dick Stevens on July 06, 2009, 04:15:55 AM
Ann:

I agree there's a certain number in society who are free-loaders, who won't work if they can avoid it.  But I don't think it is as high a % as many would think.  Most people I know want to take their rightful place in society.

As for Social Security, they've had a cost-of-living increase each year.  With the current economic crunch, who knows what the future holds?
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: ann on July 06, 2009, 09:31:29 AM
Dick,

I think you're right on in both posts. :)
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: pegleg jack on July 06, 2009, 09:50:21 AM
Morning to you-all, and it is a wet one this morning, been raining since about 3:30 some time real hard, so much for that and yes MEDICARE alllows you to get a new pair of legs made every three years if you need them and you are alsoright about the 20% copay on them, the supplement insurace that ihave pays 90% and i have a 10% co pay, but still it is higher than all get out, my current legs my cost is around 3200.00, and then it depends on your insurance company and MEDICARE, on how much they are going to pay, and what your CPO blils MEDICARE, is not what he is going to get on all of the L-CODE items listed on the bill he or she sends in.

And one thing i am scared of right now is the fact that insurance companies want to do away with covering DME altogeather, and with this new health plan NOBAMA is dreaming up, i have a feeling that they will get there way on it even after all the states that have pased the PARITY BILL to try and stop this from happening.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: snowbear on July 06, 2009, 09:57:11 AM
I know Jack...We have a 20% coverage right now with our insurance and of course my husband works hard for it and its taken out of his pay check each week. We had to choose the coverage for my prosthetic neeeds. I'm so concerned that if this crazy idea BO has we will be cut off or dropped and told to go with the universal coverage >:( Just a added stress we amputees don't need. :-[
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: ann on July 06, 2009, 11:25:52 AM


Jack,

What does DME stand for?   :)
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: snowbear on July 06, 2009, 11:58:00 AM
Durable Medical Equipment??? ???
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Joe A. on July 09, 2009, 02:56:54 PM
You all really have to stop confusing communist health care with entitlements. You paid for your entitlements which is why you are entitled to them. Unfortunately the government Who proctors the plan gets to decide at any moment what it will or will not cover.

The problem with parity is what I said a long time ago. In stead of "Some" getting the good thing, we will "All" get the bad thing. The bad thing being the far cheaper of the two. As they say, "By the least expensive means possible". This way they can provide for everyone.

Drugs and treatments deemed experimental will be dropped from protocols and formularies. Forget Things like stem cell transplants or bone marrow transplants. You can skip the wasted funding for research. With no profit margin there is no incentive to produce new drugs and treatments.

I think one of the worse things that ever happened was to associate prosthetics with DME.

The government will have no choice but to take over hospital administration. This has to happen. People need to be provided for in the same manner as a communist country. Of course while maintaining their dignity and self respect. The problem is it won't work because while some stand in line at a free clinic, another is willing to shell out $100,000.00 to clone his beloved pet dog.
There are many people out there who need the basic services. Food, shelter, medicine. Some how we must provide for them without handing the full bill to their neighbor. Perhaps they can start their own communist party and coexist with the rest of us paying their way?

Since I'm always left with the check I may as well get on board now. Remember when standing for something meant something in this country? I haven't been paid in two months now. If you're giving away free legs I could use a new socket. Where do I sign up?
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Oneblueleg on July 09, 2009, 06:30:40 PM
If you're giving away free legs I could use a new socket. Where do I sign up?

Come to England, I'd love to meet you  ;)
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: chrysochloridae on July 14, 2009, 04:27:40 PM
If you're giving away free legs I could use a new socket. Where do I sign up?

Come to England, I'd love to meet you  ;)

Its ridiculous how wasteful we are in the UK. I bet half the prosthetic components we throw away are still serviceable!
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Steve C on July 14, 2009, 06:09:32 PM
Quote
Its ridiculous how wasteful we are in the UK. I bet half the prosthetic components we throw away are still serviceable!

Can they not be donated to third world countries? (Maybe they are...?)
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Dick Stevens on July 14, 2009, 06:46:22 PM
Easy does it, Joe:

I notice that you throw around the loaded word "communist" several times, refering to any form of universal healthcare.  That could be true only in the most generic sense of the word.  But that would include every form of insurance, and every service provided by any government.

Would you say that any taxpayer-paid police dept, fire dept, public schools, public libraries, highway dept, and so on would be  "communist"?  In each case, the public is taxed to provide a public service to all citizens.

Profit motive?  It is not lost in countires that have NHS.  Doctors, nurses, pharmacists, technicians, prosthetists, and drug companies STILL make a reasonable living - a reasonable profit.  What is avoided, hopefully, are wildly excessive profits that so many in the US are used to.  (This is true not just in the medical area.  Consider corporate CEO's and their multi-million bonuses (on top of generous salaries and perks), sports celebrities, show business celebs, and so on.  The inequality grows wider and wider.

 
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Oneblueleg on July 15, 2009, 03:39:02 AM
If you're giving away free legs I could use a new socket. Where do I sign up?

Come to England, I'd love to meet you  ;)

Its ridiculous how wasteful we are in the UK. I bet half the prosthetic components we throw away are still serviceable!

Isn't it all to do with the litigation culture we inheritied from the US?
Everyone's worried they will get sued if something goes wrong.

We protect ourselves as well as unknowing amputees, by fitting new limbs with a tracable history rather than fitting used components that could fail.

There's obviously a balance to be struck, maybe we are all just too scared of the litigation, though there are charities that'll take the limbs you think mayt be serviceable, it's just whether you'll be 'allowed' to let them have them I guess.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: chrysochloridae on July 16, 2009, 02:07:08 PM
I agree completely OBL, litigation has gone crazy! I estimate that half of my time is spent on paperwork -which i accept has to happen, but it could be made easier by something like a National Database for prosthetics. Opcare use an awesome system called CIMS which makes it a hell of a lot easier to raise orders and book out parts (and you don't have to sign your name 10 times on every chart) ... 

The fact is that a simple form like a MHRA Adverse Incident Report takes ages do... and woah and behold you work 4 Blatchfords and have to fill out a QA10 to return an item (it takes longer to fill out the form than it would to fit the part!)
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Dick Stevens on July 16, 2009, 08:29:56 PM
It's a sue-happy society, to be sure.  But it's also a big-profit society as well.  The prosthetics industry doesn't want anyone to use recycled parts if they can sell brand new parts for each and every fake leg (or arm) that they produce.  So.... how many feet, pylons, fittings are rotting in closets because the sockets are outgrown? 

Take another industry where there is colosal waste!  The wedding industry.  Brides and bridesmaids buy very expensive fancy gowns - use them once - and then they collect dust forever.  Just how much wear and tear is a wedding gown gonna get?  Why not RENT the wedding gowns, just like the guys rent tuxedos?  Pick out your favorite style of bride's gown - in your size.  Rent a few bridesmaids' gowns, each in their size, of course.  Use them ONCE, have a wonderful day, and then return them for someone else to use.  Copycat?  Don't worry.  Chances are you won't be at the next bride's wedding - you'll never see the gown again, right?  And ... if by some slim chance you ever see the gown again, so what?!  Just think of the thousands of dollars brides could save.

I read on-line of a man who bought a brand new C-Leg ($50,000 +/-), then died a couple of months later.  What happened to that C-Leg kinee?  Plenty of life left in it that someone else could use, right?  Consider the possibilities....
   
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: herb on July 16, 2009, 09:14:53 PM
Hi Dick - I see a lot of used prosthetic components including c-leg knees for sale on ebay. I know that my prosthetist keeps a storage room full of used prosthetic components to use in making legs for people with neither insurance nor money. I have heard of dead people being buried wearing their prosthesis. That is a waste when there are so many people sitting in wheel chairs because they can not afford a decent prosthesis. There are a lot of people who through no fault of their own have no insurance. Most of us who have prosthetic equipment do not appreciate how fortunate we are. Herb
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Dick Stevens on July 17, 2009, 12:22:00 AM
"There are a lot of people who through no fault of their own have no insurance. Most of us who have prosthetic equipment do not appreciate how fortunate we are. Herb"

Herb, I have to agree wholeheartedly.  We are the fortunate ones.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: pegleg jack on July 17, 2009, 08:39:14 AM
Herb, i agree with to a point, and that is yes we do apprecialte the fact that we have insurance, over the coarse of a month i talk to a lot of amputee down here in east texas, cause i am a spokeperson for my CPO, on this LIMB-LOGIC VS units that i am wearing, and the ones that no fault of thier own have repeatedly asked us and my self on how to abtain insurance, and all i can say is if you are able to go back to work do so and if you cant then aplly for SOCIAL SUCURITY DISABLITY and SSI and that way you can in a years time beable to get on MEDICARE. which i know only pays 80% of the cost, but due to the econemy the way it is most ofthe CPO'S  are forgiving the other 20% so that a person can get good quality legs made.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: allen-uk on July 20, 2009, 11:25:36 AM
Hello all.

To those who know the name, double hello. I haven't been around for a few months as I was trying to wean myself off Message Boards - they were becoming a bit of a substitute for real life, if you know what I mean.

Anyway, good to see that the passage of time and hospital stays hasn't managed to mollify Joe A.'s extremism. (How you doing, Joe?)

Normally I wouldn't bother repeating the arguments that I've made in the past, but as Joe A. is still banging on about how dreadful our NHS is, I feel obliged to say it again.

My parents (both born around 1900) grew up in England, a country without a Health Service, a bit like the US. Both were 'respectable' lower-middle-class people who had known the indignity of having to scrape together enough money to pay a visit to the doctor. Neither of them was a communist, or a Marxist, or even a socialist. They would probably have voted for the Republican Party if you'd given them a vote in the US.

And it was people like them who DEMANDED that we set up a proper welfare system after the 2nd World War. They were PROUD of our National Health Service, and must be turning in their graves as our self-styled Labour government tries to continue the process of dismantling our NHS, a process started by Reagan's UK sidekick, Margaret Thatcher.

I am proud of what remains of our NHS, and will fight to keep it, and to restore it to its glory.

Yes, of COURSE we pay for it. But we ALL pay for it, in fairly equal measures, and we ALL benefit from it.

We can ALL go to the doctors or hospitals without payment, many of us getting medicines free, too, and for those of us who need special treatment (amputees, for example), that too is free of charge.

There are major problems with our Welfare State, but the answer is most definitely NOT to throw out the Baby of social progress along with the Bathwater of inefficiency. Certainly not if all you can offer as an alternative is the US model of extreme wealth and extreme poverty.

Allen, bka, London
(and unlike my dear parents, a Socialist through and through)
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Oneblueleg on July 20, 2009, 12:18:23 PM
top post allen... ;)
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: annieg on July 20, 2009, 10:18:07 PM
Allen, Good to see you back!  Annieg
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: ann on July 22, 2009, 11:27:42 AM
Allen,

I want to know these things about your health system:

      Do you go to the doctors you want to go to or are you told what doctors to go to??

       For instance, can you {as an amputee} pick out what foot you want or are you told what foot you can have??

       How long do you have to wait for appts. with your prosthetist, doctors,etc.


I know ours isn't perfect...far from it....BUT the poor are covered by welfare cards & the rest of us pay for ours.  Of course the goverment boys get theirs free for life & can go to the best facilities anywhere in the US.  The people hurting are making too much for welfare & not enough to pay for it.  I know that part of those just don't want to spend anything for coverage.  Hubby & I are on Medicare plus we purchased policies to cover what medicare doesn't.  I do not know the answer...I do know I do not want to have to give up the policies I now have & be told I have to take only national health care.

What is the answer?
 :)

Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: snowbear on July 22, 2009, 10:17:10 PM
The answer is no Universal Health care.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Joe A. on July 30, 2009, 05:25:16 PM
Hello Allen. Message boards can indeed become addictive but ours is a small community no matter that it be global.

I just returned today from a hospital stay. Let me share the experience with you all so there may be a better understanding.

Saturday. Yes I said saturday I received a call from my doctor. Not his office but himself, telling me to go to the Emergency room at Lehigh Valley Hospital. Mind I pass two other hospitals to go to lehigh. As I approach, a man darts to my car with a wheelchair. He ushers me into the waiting ER room then parks my car. No gratuity accepted.

After exchanging pleasantry I am shown To my private room. One wall is all glass with a plush futon at it's base. my climate controlled bed is designed to pressurize spots at random to eliminate bed sores or discomfort.

My personal valet disrobes me then helps me don my cozy black silk jammies. I am tucked in bed as she describes the house board of fare and I choose the grilled chicken Caesar salad as I tune into the flat big screen TV selecting "Mike Tyson's Greatest Hits".

What does such indulgence cost me? I am charged only for the long distance call I made to Hawai'i to wish my "Auntie" Marie a happy birthday. This is not a special place. It is a major hospital in a major city. Room 5K19.

I can say that I like Health care the way it is but the emphasis in now focused on the minority. The disenfranchised. They want the same things for free as well and I say we give it to them. Send the Rolls to bring them round. Why not??

I thank God for your NHS as well but I don't need it. You see I am a Working White American Male. Oh Hell, I'll even pay for you to call your Auntie. There are many country's with national health. None say it has to be like England's. As a small business owner I will be required to pay for health coverage for even pre-existing conditions. Your practitioner is probably a limited liability corporation anyway.

As for me I can no longer afford to hire and employ anyone. I can no longer afford a debtor to hide behind bankruptcy laws. It would be easier on everyone if we just pay their way and let business go on as usual but that would be discrimination. It would provide an advantage to the poor and oppressed minority.

I'm just going to get in line with them. You wouldn't believe how easy it is to look poor on paper. Nope. Universal Health care just put me out of business. Unless you're willing to pay me cash upfront with no paperwork involved. I don't mind. I was tired of working anyway. This just put it all to rest.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Joe A. on July 30, 2009, 05:58:06 PM
Dick,
 I've checked my old Oxford given me by The Good Sisters of Mercy so many years ago. I don't think I am misusing the word. Indeed saying communist is about as filthy a curse word as you can say in America but taken as written I think it is the correct choice. 

You are my elder and well deserving of my respect. I most humbly apologize if I have offended you or anyone by my choice of words. That was not my purpose at all. I don't know what else to call it and will accept you choice of words if you could better pin it down.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: ann on July 30, 2009, 07:36:44 PM
Ahhh Joe, what was your problem?  I am sorry you had to be in the hospital yet again.  You know what, I'd love to see you in your BLACK SILK JAMMIES ;)  bet you were the talk of the hospital.

You know what we told you...you are not supposed to be in the hospital every month.  Hope you are feeling much better.

BTW what type of company do you run.  The way this bill is written, the older people will be the ones who are going to suffer.  If they are doing this national health thing, I want what the senators & congressmen & our  GOOD OL" PRES. has...with no end not matter what I need done and no premiums.  Let Uncle Sam pay the bills.  Don't you agree with me???
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Oneblueleg on July 31, 2009, 08:20:10 AM
Universal Health care just put me out of business.

That's an American problem that doesn't relate to here, or our NHS.

I struggle to get your point sometimes with all the flowery language (don't stop doing that though, everyone likes it I'm sure), but what I take from it is 'I'm alright Jack'...

Employers having to cover medical costs... that doesn't happen here.... it can, and it does, but it doesn't have to... it's a perk, not a requierment... help me please...
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: allen-uk on July 31, 2009, 08:48:58 AM
Oneblueleg:

Yes, we are indeed divided by a common language. But it's more than that. The past few decades in this country have seen the acceleration of our island's move across the Atlantic. 

There was a time when we saw the poor as unfortunate, the sick as worthy of our help and charity, and honest mistakes as just that, honest mistakes.

Now we, like Joe, blame the poor for being poor, see the sick as potential customers of profitable private clinics, and as for honest mistakes? Just call a lawyer.

I first noticed the Blame Culture about 40 years ago when I heard some barmy US general BLAMING the Vietnamese people for fighting his troops when all they were doing was trying to CIVILISE them.

Sometimes I think I see a small flame from 3 or 4 thousand miles westward, but often it flickers and dies.

The heck with it, just blame me.

After all, as a liberal /
socialist /
Marxist /
tree-hugger /
vegetarian /
bearded / 
you name it I'm at it,
I'm well in the frame.

I expect a Writ by return.


Allen.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: ann on July 31, 2009, 10:59:40 AM
Allen,


No, we blame the poor & homeless because they will not help themselves.  Any one of us could lay around and expect the goodness of people to take care of us. {I know I am going to get slammed} ::)    but for the most, its the truth.  The people who have mental problems should be gathered up and we should make sure they are hospitalized for medication and help.


At the present time, we have alot who have been laid off....I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE.    :)

Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Dick Stevens on July 31, 2009, 02:36:44 PM
Ann:

You say "We blame the poor and homeless...."

Then you add: "At the present time, we have alot who have been laid off....I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE.    "

But, guess what!  Those who have been laid off ARE are part of the poor and homeless, now. (your neighbor and mine)

It's too easy to blame the "Poor and Homeless" for their own poor fortune...to write them off as the dregs of society....to say to ourselves, "It's their OWN damn fault." 

Hmmm ...... How many Americans are living just one or two paychecks away from homelessness?  Look down your street and count the foreclosure sale signs.  Who's next?



Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Dick Stevens on July 31, 2009, 02:50:46 PM
Allen:

Gotta admit there's a whole fat-cat medical establishment and profitable insurance industry who are fighting tooth-and-nail to scare Americans away from anything that resembles an NHS.  They have an enormous Cash Cow to protect.

Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: allen-uk on July 31, 2009, 04:18:42 PM
Ah, Dick. One of the flames that refuses to die.

Yes indeed, and I wish I was defending some European Utopia on this one, but unfortunately what with our general slavish admiration of all things American, plus Thatcher (and her heirs and successors) in many ways we are a US state in all but constitution. We worship the same gods now.

(Lest I be misinterpreted: there are many American 'things' of which I am an admirer. Big Pharma and all its offshoots is not among them).


With regards,


Allen.


Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Joe A. on July 31, 2009, 05:16:49 PM
OBL,
I don't understand your post but I tend to be verbose because I am not typing. I use a program that I dictate into and it types for me.To understand the language you need to understand who I am and why I choose the words I use. In America on the Mainland, that would be the 48 contiguous states, we speak "American". The bastard son of many languages with roots in both Greek and Latin.

Ok so far?

In Hawai'i the 50th state we speak the "Queens" English. The once free and sovereign nation of Hawai'i had very strong ties with England and you will see your Union Jack in the upper left hand corner of the Hawaiian state flag. We also speak "Pidgin". A combination of Hawaiian, Samoan, French and English mixed with slang roasted over a fire of inflection and served with a side order of Da kine talk. You Sabby? If hahd for dem den go book'em Danno.

The machine I use does a fair job of understanding me and I thought it would be easy for you to grasp as well. So if you ever have a question regarding anything at all you can post here or mail me at the address below. I am rarely being sarcastic because I feel it is lost or misunderstood in this epistolary form of communication.

Ann,
About 15 years ago the government began closing down mental institutions in an effort to reduce costs and "Help" people re-enter main stream society. The result was homelessness for thousands. In Philadelphia they closed a huge hospital called Byberry. Many years later they discovered a dead body still in the morgue of the abandoned building. Makes one wonder if the sick aren't better off living in the subway tunnels.

Nuclear Engineering.

Dick, Allen,
It would scare me if I had to buy my medicine from a small company. The whole thing got so big it imploded on itself. We once had people of great wealth who were philanthropists. People like Vanderbilt, Mellon, Carnegie, Hershey. Where are all the industrial giants who built the homes and legends now only smoky dreams? The money went offshore. People can't afford to build colleges like Duke, Colgate.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Dick Stevens on July 31, 2009, 07:31:33 PM
Ah, Joe.  Dear friend and fellow-Pennsylvanian.  Time is slipping past you quicker than you think.  Here in PA, the great campaign to close mental institutions began a lot earlier than 15 years ago - more like 35 to 40 years ago.  Back in my earlier years, when I was a social worker for the City of Philadelphia, the movement was afoot.  We were busy opening community-based group homes for retarded (dated term??) children and adults.  I was involved in opening Phila's first....in 1970.

Pennhurst State School was closed and re-emerged as some sort of VA facility.  Cresson State School closed and became a state prison.  Haverford State Hospital evaporated.  Many buildings at Norristown State are closed or used for other purposes.  Norristown State's farmland is now a bunch of pricey homes.

BUT, while institutions for the mentally deficient or mentally daft are going out of fashion, the state's prison system is a booming business.  Recently built prisons in Montgomery, Chester, and Philadelphia counties, just to name a few.  Talk of a new prison at Graterford to replace the old one.

Excuse me, List.  These are names in eastern PA that Joe will recognize .... right, Joe?

Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Oneblueleg on August 01, 2009, 03:12:29 AM
Successfully side stepped Joe... ::)
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Dick Stevens on August 02, 2009, 12:03:48 AM
OneBlueLeg:

Touche'   Yeah, I guess Joe and I both side-stepped these places, at least as residents/patients/inmates.  Most of them are within an hour's drive of both our homes.

As a social worker, and later as a pastor, I've had occasion to visit all of these places.  Fortunately, they always let me out at the end of the visit.   :)

Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Joe A. on August 03, 2009, 03:34:00 PM
Yes but all of these facilities were government owned and operated. It is this less than stellar history that frightens us all. We have seen what the government has done to people. Of course I recognize all of these facilities. The poor devils are probably better off in prison. Prisons are full of people with mental health issues.

Who sidestepped me? I thought I was an active participant in the conversation?
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Dick Stevens on August 03, 2009, 06:09:56 PM
Joe:

No one is side-stepping you in the conversation (as if we could).  I think we're acknowledging that you and I both side-stepped being residents/patients/inmates in all of these infamous state institutions.

Of course, if we want to see some looney governmental institutions, just look at the Congress, and the legislatures of the various states.

If you remember the Jack Nickelson movie "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", you'll appreciate an article about the 17-member Philadelphia City Council, which was entitled "Seventeen Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: Joe A. on August 06, 2009, 05:56:08 PM
Yes. It's a shame they closed Eastern State. The Haverford Hospital was resurrected by the Good Sisters of Mercy. I don't think it's a mental institution though. I think this whole country has flown over the Cuckoo's nest lately. Between the war, the presiden' and everything else it's hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys. Bammy's true colors show when he does such things as call police procedures done "stupidly". What police academy did he attend? What war college did he attend? The man knows nothing about how to defend a nation or a neighborhood. Ask any Towelhead and they'll tell you it's easier to shoot a Marine in the back than to face one head on.
Title: Re: Our friend Joe.
Post by: ann on August 07, 2009, 09:56:06 AM


You nailed that one Joe  :)