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Title: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 04, 2008, 06:26:31 PM
I want everyone to know that Gov. Palin was, in fact, winking at me. Oh I know... you may think she was winking at you or perhaps you think she was winking at everyone but nope she was winking at me.

Poor Joe Bidden couldn't win a Goldfish at a firehouse picnic. What stuffy old fart, business as usual politico could hope to compete with Sarah Palins charm?

This will be one of the most interesting elections in history. John McCain has my vote for the asking. He earned it. I only hope the Electoral College agrees.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 04, 2008, 07:29:16 PM
I am sure she was winking @ you Joe...she & John have my vote also.  If everyone would just let her alone for about 2 months she would be as smart as the Senate, Congress, etc.  IMHO I'll bet she is a fast learner.

Hey I've been  ;) at you for a long time.  Glad you are back to your normal self Joe...bless your {little} heart.  Guess I'll blow you a little  :-* ~~ hope your wife won't get mad at me.

ann
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 04, 2008, 09:13:06 PM
Think about this:  If Barack Obama, Joe Biden, John McCain...and even Hillary Clinton...stood up there and aw-shucks-ed", "gosh-darned" and wink-winked at you, what would you have thought about that???  It wouldn't have worked, would it? 

But some people are just easy pushovers for good old fashioned, down home, knee slappin', girly-girly charm... ;) ;)   I would've thought you'd had enough of that with George Dubwa!   ::)

 
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 04, 2008, 10:17:10 PM
 Any Girly-girl who winks at me can get just about any "gosh-darned" thing she wants including elected, "Doncha know". The poor dear having to stand there so long in those Red high heels. I felt so sorry for her but did you see her from behind in that suit? Oh My My. I wonder if it was brushed on or sprayed? Did you see how her girlish bangs fluttered when she winked at me? It's all just too cute. I can't stand it. Icing on the cake. Smartest political move I have ever seen.

Shame Ol' Sammy O'Bammy wasn't smart enough to hook Hillary.

Ann,
You know.... I'm still a heart patient and you could kill me with comments like that but I sure do appreciate the sentiment even though you couldn't POSSIBLY mean what it lookls like ;)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 04, 2008, 10:31:25 PM
Aw shucks Joe...we are all so glad you are back acting like "Joe" again.  We're just able to tell you anything.  And BTW you were supposed to be lookin' at her red heels and not how her suit looked from behind.   ::)   Naughty... Naughty...
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 05, 2008, 03:38:10 AM
Ahh, so let me get this straight:  Looking...and acting...dumb is a smart move?  Hmm, interesting how twisted things can get...and some thinking.   ::) 
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 05, 2008, 08:58:23 AM
Joe and all others, i didn't get to see it had other things come up, but i do agree with Joe, (she is one good looking lady in my book,) and smart to, McCain made on smart move when he asked her to be his VP, was siding that way from the git go, but now i am all the way for them, cant stand the zebra and his clown of a running mate, what they have in mind scared the be Jesus out of me.

The is one European country i believe it is SWEDEN, that has let the likes of o'bama, get in and man it has really made some nasty changes,

This just my two cents worth,

P.S. this is to JOE, and the view from the back side is great!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: chrysochloridae on October 05, 2008, 09:11:30 AM
LOL
This whole election seems 2 have been going on for ages! Its a daily event on the news in the UK.... I think most people in the UK probably have more idea about the US political scene than they do the UK one!

I'm just glad that Bush is out... no offense to anyone who is a George W fan, but i don't think that Crazy Oil Tycoons should be in charge of the USA!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 05, 2008, 09:40:00 AM
Golden mole(hope you dont mind me using it) here is one for you, when i first moved to TEXAS two years ago, you didnt dare say anything bad about G.W. and now most of the state dosent want anything to do with him except his rich oil buddies down here, his name has gotten to be a dirty word for most of us here in the state.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 05, 2008, 10:05:50 AM
The debates were broadcast here in Ireland I sat at the telly and watched them. My take is that Biden did better. He seemed to actually know what he was talking about and listed things that he would actually do. Palin seemed to do more flirting with the camera then saying anything of substance and didn't seem to really answer the question. I'd say that Palin is a intelligent and strong woman but no where ready to govern for a vice presidents role.
I think if there ever was a presidential election where the vice president was more important that usual, it would be this one. Nothing against anyone here but McCain wouldn't be a teenager anymore. I would imagine that being president puts a massive strain on a person. If the worse happened and he couldn't continue Palin would be president. McCain may be able to govern the US, could Palin? In my heart and head that would be a firm no. Not a chance
With Obama, all I can say if that his security will have their hands full with the neo nazis and KKK scum.

by the way Jack, what does 'zebra' mean?
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 05, 2008, 11:30:52 AM
I thought Sarah Palin did very well. Biden seems so slimey and sneaky don't like the man. I'm going with McCain Palin for sure.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: herb on October 05, 2008, 02:33:39 PM
I watched the debate and felt that Biden had a clear view of the needs of the country and the intellect to function as president if need be. Palin did not give an intelligent answer to any of the questions. She is great on platitudes but lacking in substance. I voted for mccain in the primary but think his vp choice was idiotic. His health is not good and she might have to assume the presidency. I definitely am not going to vote for him now. I thought the reference to zebra had to do with obama  being part white and part black. Herb
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 05, 2008, 04:03:23 PM
'Herb'  what is wrong with McCains' health?
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 05, 2008, 05:22:17 PM
the last i heard that the doc's that check out the presidents have given McCain a clean bill of health, dont know what you have heard but i sure havent seen anything about him being under or having a problem.

And i dont thing picking PALIN, as a running mate was idiotic at all. from what i have  read and seen she has the savy to stand up to the special interest and other money people there in DC.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 05, 2008, 05:29:47 PM
Biden is up there in years too.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: herb on October 05, 2008, 08:31:21 PM
Hi Ann - John McCain has already had 4 bouts of melanoma. His last one resulted in removal of lymph nodes and glands in his face and neck neck. A lot of doctors worry that it is more serious than he is letting on and it will be untreatable when it returns. I wish him the best, but it is a real concern considering how demanding and stressful being president is. I was hoping he would choose Mitt Romney or Tom Ridge as vp. I think his choice will be his downfall. Herb
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: SusanN366 on October 05, 2008, 08:43:16 PM
Hi Ann - John McCain has already had 4 bouts of melanoma. His last one resulted in removal of lymph nodes and glands in his face and neck neck. A lot of doctors worry that it is more serious than he is letting on and it will be untreatable when it returns. I wish him the best, but it is a real concern considering how demanding and stressful being president is. I think his choice will be his downfall. Herb


What Herb said.  I've very pro-Obama, but I respected McCain and would not have freaked about him being elected until he chose Palin as VP. 
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 05, 2008, 08:48:00 PM
Myffanwy ,
You just don't understand the process. The Vice president is a pretty easy Gig and has really no influence at all over the administration. She will preside over the Senate and vote only to break a tie. Certify the vote of the Electoral College and assume the Presidency in the event the existing president becomes incapacitated, impeached or resigns. When was the last time you saw Dick Cheney? Most people wouldn't be able to pick him out of a line up.

The president has more authority. Specially when it comes to waging war. I would rather have a man who knows what war is like then some frivolous pretender. No one likes war but I say if you're in it then win it. Who would be more understanding to our veterans? The man who waited 5 long years in a Hanoi prison or a guy who has never worn a unifrorm? A little skin cancer is no reason to jump ship. I would rather dig Ronald Reagan up and vote for him than ever even consider voting for OBammy.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 05, 2008, 10:28:08 PM
Myffanwy ,
You just don't understand the process. The Vice president is a pretty easy Gig and has really no influence at all over the administration. She will preside over the Senate and vote only to break a tie. Certify the vote of the Electoral College and assume the Presidency in the event the existing president becomes incapacitated, impeached or resigns. When was the last time you saw Dick Cheney? Most people wouldn't be able to pick him out of a line up.

The president has more authority. Specially when it comes to waging war. I would rather have a man who knows what war is like then some frivolous pretender. No one likes war but I say if you're in it then win it. Who would be more understanding to our veterans? The man who waited 5 long years in a Hanoi prison or a guy who has never worn a unifrorm? A little skin cancer is no reason to jump ship. I would rather dig Ronald Reagan up and vote for him than ever even consider voting for OBammy.


Good point Joe!!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 06, 2008, 01:26:45 AM
Okay, the fact is 72 is old for most jobs...it is whether you like it or not...and the job of president of the United States is an extremely demanding and exacting one, and he would be just starting this job at 72.  I hadn't even heard about his melanoma episodes.  I think statistics would show that most people with one bout of melanoma do not survive, let alone how many??  So he's old and already weakened by cancer, weakened by his wartime trauma, and though I have sympathy for his war experience, does that really entitle...entitle him to run your country?  Lots of Americans went to war, lots of soldiers suffered terrible torture, but are they all entitled to run your country?  I'm sorry, yes, be grateful to him for fulfilling his patriotic duty, but does this really  qualify him for the job?

So McCain is old and quite possibly facing terminal illness.  So that brings me to Gov.Palin: I agree that Sarah Palin did "better than expected", but is that really good enough?  Is the American public so shallow and so Hollywood-ized that they can't see past a beauty queen smile and flirty winks?  Do you really want someone, that close to the president's position, just learning on the job?  And I absolutely do not agree that the VP's role is minimal.  It used to be...not now.  Just because you haven't seen Cheney around for awhile doesn't mean he's not behind the scenes running the show with his cronies.  And on that point, it seems to me that they've left George W. just hung out to dry.  Have you seen Cheney around sticking up for the president now that George is in shit up to his eyebrows? 

Look, someone else had to be running the show: George W. Bush repeatedly...I mean over and over and over showed himself to be not the brightest bulb in the pack.  So who was running things?  George?  No way.  And why is he so disliked now?  Why?  Why have so many people finally...finally turned on him?  Because they know he's a puppet, not bright enough for the job, and under his administration the United States is on the brink of financial collapse...and the U.S. is taking a large part of the rest of the world with them. 

Bush got into office illegally to begin with, and for his second term?  Why on earth did so many Americans vote him back in??  His administration has spent trillions of dollars on an illegal war, and now that the U.S. is deeply in debt because of the war, out of desperation yet more billions of dollars are being put out there (from where???) to rectify yet more wrongs instigated by this government.  Do you remember when George told you all to go out and spend, spend, spend after 9/11?  Can you hear the house of cards collapsing around your ears???

Good God, wake up America and vote for someone...for a team who already knows the ropes, who can think!  The United States of America sadly used to be the greatest country in the world.  It desperately needs some repair work to improve its standing in world view and pull its fiscal collapse back from the brink.  It's too grand a country to be a joke.

And, Joe, I do know how the U.S. govt works: I have a B.A. in political science...obtained from a U.S. university, and...one thing else: I really think calling Obama names, regardless of whether you like him or not, makes you sound small-minded and mean. 
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 06, 2008, 05:28:11 AM
You will need nearly 3 hours, but watch this... then all that stuff about who 'runs' America pales into insignificance...

http://www.edgemediatv.com/article001_icke.html (http://www.edgemediatv.com/article001_icke.html)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 06, 2008, 06:46:16 AM
You made some very good points, Myffanwy. Before anyone says something I would not think of what she said as America bashing, not at all but rather pointing out a few things. I am American born myself and even though I don't live anymore I do love America and I would like to see it get back on track.
When I mentioned McCain before, I never even knew he had melanoma. I was referring to his age. People can live brilliant and rewarding lives into their 80, 90's etc but if I were to picture taking a strong person of 72 from my village and giving them the pressure of a presidency  I cannot imagine a healthy outcome.

Herb, I assumed that was the reason. I had hoped not though. Disappointing.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 06, 2008, 07:22:33 AM
McCain did have  cancer that has nothing to do with his qualifications as a president. Who cares? people look at me and see I limp so what. It dose not identify me, nor should McCain's face. Obama has big ears! so what. :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 06, 2008, 12:52:47 PM
I think the point was that the president needs to physically able to hold the office without the probable reoccurrence of previous serious health problems. They need to be able to physically handle the severe pressures of the job.
If he is out of action Palin is in charge. Can you picture her talking nuclear missiles with President Medvedev?
Scars, limps, big ears, rashes or warts mean nothing. 
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 06, 2008, 01:27:06 PM
Many people are judging an underestimating Palin give her a Chance. The media has been very unfair and are ripping her apart. And pushing Obama on us. think for ourselves and not let media hype try to brain wash us. :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: herb on October 06, 2008, 04:44:01 PM
Hi Snowbear - did you listen to the Sarah Palin interviews wish Charles Gibson and Katie Couric. If she can't stand up to Katie Couric, how could she stand up for us against world leaders. If you didn't hear the interviews , you should. You can find them on the web. Her answers to questions were completely nonsensical. She apears to be incapable of independent thought. She was well prepared for some of the debate questions but dodged giving direct answers on most. She was like a parrot spouting catchy phrases. We do not need a barbie doll with a nice ass and cute wink. Herb
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 06, 2008, 05:06:46 PM
Yep I saw it. Did not change my mind. I'm not brain washed by the media hype for Barrack. Some people can't think for themselves. We will be totally screwed as a country if he gets in.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 06, 2008, 05:35:22 PM
Snowbear, i posted this somewhere thought it was on here, but the EU has found out the OBAMA types are ruining thier countries real fast now that they have gotten the MUSLUM'S in power, SWEDEN is one that has and i do believe that FRANCE, is another.

I dont care if he says that he is a CHRISTEN, HE went to school and was raise in a MUSLUM; school. And from what i am told you cannot change once you have become a muslum,

Not only will we be screwed, but stewed and tatooed along with it.

From watching the news and campain of them, he has really scared the H--- out of me,
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 06, 2008, 08:08:27 PM
Me too Jack.. Many people I know are saying they will move to Canada if he wins. It looks like he may. God help us.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 07, 2008, 01:34:13 AM
Uh-uh-uh, sorry, fellas, you're not allowed up here with those attitudes.  We actually like black people and "zebra" people and even muslims up here.  It's not against the law to be a muslim...not that Barack Obama is, but you most likely will continue to think he is, even against all evidence...<sigh>   ::) ::)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Ervin56 on October 07, 2008, 03:03:32 AM
I thought the debate was revealing, but I can't give my most valued American possession (a vote), to the girls that wink at ME (I was here watching, and I am POSITIVE that it was ME she winked at !!!), so I've been investigatin'. The media hasen't made up their mind about her, and parts of it has tried to put it to her over her brother-in-law and after diggin' around, I'm of the opinion that Wooten has always been a piece of crap. Go to http://www.adn.com/front/story/476430.html and you can read it for yourself. Also, lots of links off of "Sarah Palin" leads me to believe that she's as close to being "one of us" as it gets, pardon the pun.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 07, 2008, 08:52:17 AM
No Miff, it is not agianst the law to be a muslum, but when they change the laws of the country that they have gotten into power to go along with the KORAN, That they beleive in, thats when they start walking up my backside and i get just a little peeved. And that is what is happening over there from what i have heard and read.

Dont get me wrong, i dont look down on anybody, they are free to practice what ever religion they want but dont try to force it on me.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 07, 2008, 09:28:46 AM
from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22767392/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22767392/)

Obama sets record straight on his religion
Presidential candidate battles misconception that he's a Muslim

Obama: "I've been to the same church _ the same Christian church _ for almost 20 years," Obama said, stressing the word Christian and drawing cheers from the faithful in reply. "I was sworn in with my hand on the family Bible. Whenever I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. So if you get some silly e-mail ... send it back to whoever sent it and tell them this is all crazy. Educate."

"His father and stepfather were Muslim. And he spent part of his childhood in Indonesia, a largely Muslim country. But he attended secular and Catholic schools, not a radical madrassa."

"His campaign has been pushing back against the false rumors all year. His aides decried an incorrect news report that Obama was educated in a Muslim madrassa and a section of his Web site is devoted to correct that and other false rumors circulating on the Internet."

~

If people want to dislike someone, fair enough. Dislike someone for what is true, not frabricated in order to try and win an election.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: herb on October 07, 2008, 01:38:13 PM
hello Jack - there have been many false rumors about Obama's religion. His Father was a muslim but left Obama's family  when Barak was only 2 years old. He was then raised by his christian mother and grandparents. The Islam religion is no worse than the christian religion. Worldwide there are equal numbers of christians and muslims. The vast majority of both religions are hard working, good people. Terrorists come from both faiths. Timothy Mcveigh, the Oklahoma Courthouse bomber was a roman catholic. So was hitler. it is not logical to exclude huge groups of people based on religious beliefs or their race. Herb
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 07, 2008, 03:04:56 PM
Herb, What makes you think you are reading the truth?  He is a crook and very scary we do not need him or want him as our president. He is a lier too.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: herb on October 07, 2008, 04:26:37 PM
Hi Snowbear - I am not advocating obama for president. I just hate to see anybody attacked for things such as religion or racial prejudice. I was not aware that he is a crook. How is he a crook?  Herb
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 07, 2008, 05:44:07 PM
I just go by my gut feelings. At first I thought he was good, But as time went on and I heard him speak and what he stands for I quickly changed my mind. No one is attacking him just expressing truths and concerns. If he sounds like a rat, looks like rat chances are he's a rat. :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 07, 2008, 06:43:36 PM
Oh, dear..... ::) ::)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 08, 2008, 03:27:41 AM
He is a crook and very scary we do not need him or want him as our president. He is a lier too.

Nice that you're so balanced in your 'arguments'.... ;D
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 08, 2008, 03:34:07 AM
Snowbear, i posted this somewhere thought it was on here, but the EU has found out the OBAMA types are ruining thier countries real fast now that they have gotten the MUSLUM'S in power, SWEDEN is one that has and i do believe that FRANCE, is another.

I dont care if he says that he is a CHRISTEN, HE went to school and was raise in a MUSLUM; school. And from what i am told you cannot change once you have become a muslum,

Not only will we be screwed, but stewed and tatooed along with it.

From watching the news and campain of them, he has really scared the H--- out of me,

WOW!.... you really have no idea how you look to the rest of the world... I thought this thread was a reasoned debate about the Vice Presidency, but this is just ridiculous, no wonder the rest of the world think the average American is poorly educated!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 08, 2008, 03:53:14 AM
I hadn't paid too much attention to it all until now, but this link is the best entertainment I've had for ages.... she wouldn't even qualify to be a local councillor in England... ;D

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?hl=en&q=Katie+Couric+Sarah+Palin+interview&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=5&ct=title# (http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?hl=en&q=Katie+Couric+Sarah+Palin+interview&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=5&ct=title#)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 08, 2008, 04:28:59 AM
Thanks, OBL.  I hadn't seen the whole SNL piece...what a riot!

Did anyone watch the 2nd presidential debate tonight...or last night?  A bit of a ho-hum, eh?  A few of the citizens on stage were dozing off....lol.  Well, there's only two to choose from...but, what is it, 20-some days until voting day!  Do you think there's time for McCain to replace Palin? 

We "up here" are voting next Tuesday for the top job.  Fellow Canucks, please get out and vote!

Oh, and PLJ, you know I love ya!   ;)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 08, 2008, 06:46:51 AM
Snowbear, i posted this somewhere thought it was on here, but the EU has found out the OBAMA types are ruining thier countries real fast now that they have gotten the MUSLUM'S in power, SWEDEN is one that has and i do believe that FRANCE, is another.

I dont care if he says that he is a CHRISTEN, HE went to school and was raise in a MUSLUM; school. And from what i am told you cannot change once you have become a muslum,

Not only will we be screwed, but stewed and tatooed along with it.

From watching the news and campain of them, he has really scared the H--- out of me,

WOW!.... you really have no idea how you look to the rest of the world... I thought this thread was a reasoned debate about the Vice Presidency, but this is just ridiculous, no wonder the rest of the world think the average American is poorly educate



Whatever! have a good day!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 08, 2008, 07:45:45 AM
Snowbear, i posted this somewhere thought it was on here, but the EU has found out the OBAMA types are ruining thier countries real fast now that they have gotten the MUSLUM'S in power, SWEDEN is one that has and i do believe that FRANCE, is another.

I dont care if he says that he is a CHRISTEN, HE went to school and was raise in a MUSLUM; school. And from what i am told you cannot change once you have become a muslum,

Not only will we be screwed, but stewed and tatooed along with it.

From watching the news and campain of them, he has really scared the H--- out of me,

WOW!.... you really have no idea how you look to the rest of the world... I thought this thread was a reasoned debate about the Vice Presidency, but this is just ridiculous, no wonder the rest of the world think the average American is poorly educate



Whatever! have a good day!

 ;D

And you sir... ;)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 08, 2008, 09:19:28 AM
Oneblueleg, what i posted is what i have read and seen and it is just my opinion and not everyone else's.

Dont get me wrong for i am going to vote, matter in fact our ballots are on the way. here in TEXAS , with me being disabled i can vote from my home and dont have to go out to a voting place to vote.

And i like the way that you are straight forth with you answers, and i know that this thread has gotten a tad off of the subject. but then agian thats politics for you.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 08, 2008, 10:52:23 AM
We can postal vote regardless of our ability to get to the polling station, though there's something about having to visit the local school or whatever on the way to work or on the way home and tackling the party workers being nosey... I love telling them they have no right to hassle me and ask who I voted for...
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 08, 2008, 02:30:20 PM
Here here Jack! :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Fi on October 10, 2008, 05:14:25 AM
I cannot believe some of the comments I have just read. What on earth does what religion the presidential candidates choose to follow have to do with whether they get elected or not? What happened to the separation of church and state - one of the fundamental building blocks of most democracies. I am ashamed that people living in the Western world in 2008 are still taking religion into account when considering who to vote for. We may as well go back to the Crusades. Or move to the middle east.

Get some education please.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 10, 2008, 08:27:34 AM
Remember this is an American based forum Fi.... ;)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 10, 2008, 09:13:44 AM
FI, have one question for you on this.

Have you every been to a muslum country for very long and see just how they treat the women over there, well i have and i sure dont want that to happen here in the UNITED STATES of  AMERICA.

And also the men if they are not muslums. and if you are not willing to wear a beard, which i am not.

Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 10, 2008, 01:07:36 PM
Fi, My husband has a ph.D. In science/chemistry, I have a BS in Education. Education is not the problem here.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 10, 2008, 03:15:31 PM
uh oh, Fi stirred the pot.  :o

Fi- You made some good points. There should definitely be a separation of church and state (its in the US constitution isn't it?). I can't believe it is going to happen with as many candidates obviously going for the christian vote. I believe 'In God we trust' is still on the money.

OBL - True but everyone should be able to speak their minds (I know you agree! ;D)

Snowbear - I don't think she means getting a diploma (congratulations by the way).

PLJ - 1. It won't happen in America.
        2. Obama still isn't a muslim
        3. Beards are great, give it a try. I have a beard and I think it makes me look distinguished.  ;)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 10, 2008, 03:19:10 PM
I know that.!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 10, 2008, 03:20:16 PM
FI, have one question for you on this.

Have you every been to a muslum country for very long and see just how they treat the women over there, well i have and i sure dont want that to happen here in the UNITED STATES of  AMERICA.

And also the men if they are not muslums. and if you are not willing to wear a beard, which i am not.




The thought of that Jack scares the hell out of me. Hopefully he Will not win!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 10, 2008, 03:21:47 PM
uh oh, Fi stirred the pot.  :o

Fi- You made some good points. There should definitely be a separation of church and state (its in the US constitution isn't it?). I can't believe it is going to happen with as many candidates obviously going for the christian vote. I believe 'In God we trust' is still on the money.

OBL - True but everyone should be able to speak their minds (I know you agree! ;D)

Snowbear - I don't think she means getting a diploma (congratulations by the way).

PLJ - 1. It won't happen in America.
        2. Obama still isn't a muslim
        3. Beards are great, give it a try. I have a beard and I think it makes me look distinguished.  ;)



Number 2. Do your homework, and he hangs out with terrorist! get a clue.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 10, 2008, 03:44:08 PM
Steve C. it is on record that he attended muslum school in indonesia when he was staying with his father and didnot attend a chatholic school eveyont is saying that he did.

And steve i have tried to wear a beard and i do not (rpt) do not like it and niether does my wife or kids and grandkids. In this hot and humid state that i live in you see very few beards and that is the reason why, for they are just to hot to wear one, even a short one is uncomfortable,
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 10, 2008, 03:58:50 PM
I don't have to worry about a beard! but don't want to be treated as a second class person! :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: dotson on October 10, 2008, 04:08:18 PM
I didn't want to get into this argument, but I can't help it when I see a lie that just won't go away.  Obama is no more a muslim than the people spreading the lie.  If you tell a lie long enough you and others will begin to believe it.  I can't imagine anyone making less than $200,000 a year voting for McCain and failin Palin.  If you think old "W" was bad, let Palin get into office and we all go down!  McCain is wanting to continue Bush's tax plan which gives the CEOs $700,000. in tax breaks ( the average income for the CEOs is 12.8 million annually)and no tax break for all that make under $200,000.  This has been checked out by the CNN appointed reporter in charge of checking for the truth of candidates statements.   Obama wants to lower taxes for all making under $200,000, in addition to exempting the first $50,000 for all senior citizens.  Old man McCain is always accusing Obama of wanting to raise taxes.  Obama only wants the wealthy to pay their fair share.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 10, 2008, 04:17:00 PM
You can't believe everything he says. He never graduated form Columbia University as he said he did. Heavens knows what else he has lied about. Many people don't trust this man.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 10, 2008, 06:06:04 PM
Dotson... run!     Run while you can still get away!!      They cannot hear you...leave me...save yourself !!!!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 10, 2008, 07:34:24 PM
Yooz Guys make me laugh. Maybe I can help clear things up.

Yes anyone can run for office. The only requirements are that you be older than 35 years and be a native born American.

Sigorney Weaver recently said that Gov. Palin was Bush in a skirt. Think about that one. I mean aren't they all?

No. Refering to someone as Sammy O'Bammy is not a racial slur. He claims to be Hawai'ian. In Hawai'i he would be known as an "Oreo". Meaning he appears to be black on the outside but lily white on the inside. This is not considered a racial insult but an observation. His mother was a Honolulu whore. None of this stopped him from becoming a Senator and will have no effect on him running for president. A Non issue.

If you think it's fun to raise my taxes just beause I'm not poor then kiss my furry little butt. Why should I pay for the rest of the country. Everyone had the same opportuity as I did. Go earn it.

The United States of America is *NOT* a democracy. It is a Republic. The president is not elected by popular vote. Ask Al Gore.

The last president is not responsible for the current situations and the next president will not be able to fix anything. The wheels are in motion and will not be stopped. I told you all years ago what stocks to buy and when to sell. I told you what was coming and nearly nailed the exact date. I told you to move to hard assets and if you had followed my advise you too would be enjoying the over 80 dollar gain per ounce in Gold. Financial crisis? Not in my neighborhood. It's all propaganda. The sky is always falling right before an election.
Don't buy into the bull.

Religion has nothing to do with the election besides providing scoundrels something to relate to. O'Bammy would drop a baby right now if he could get the Mommy vote out of it.

As for Iraq, Iran, Friganastan, Uzbecastan, Bitemyassastan and anyone else astan. It's a simple rule we live by, "Be nice or we'll kill you". It's been that way since 1634. We'll kill you here, we'll kill you there, on the desert, on the land, on the sea, under the sea, on the moon or right through the gates of hell. Been there done that got the Tee shirt.

Cut and run as per O'Bammy and over 4000 americans died in vain. I would rather face the enemy than 4000 pissed off Moms. No. They earned it now we have to make it worth it. Are you man enough? Cause your boy O'Bammy isn't. Why should he? He's never been wounded. Never worn a uniform. Never been shot at (Yet) He has no idea how to defend a nation. Strategy? Tactic? He doesn't know the difference. Oh say there O'Bammy jusy how many men are in a Brigade? A Division? a Corp? How about telling us how many squads are in a Platoon? The man don't know Bo Diddly squat. I've got family and friends still in uniform. You can damn me straight to hell if I'd vote for that Sissy Lala Nancy Boy to be commander in chief of anything short of a Cub Scout den.

"Vince" the TV Shamwow guy couldn't sell me on that one.

No. It is not illegal to be a Muslim in America. I encourage all American Muslims to wear their towelhead thingy wraps as it makes an excellent target. You see most people aim too low and by aiming for towel they should get a head shot.

They hate us for living in a place where they deliver our Pet meds right to our door while they die in squaller. Here's a thought put down those cheap ass AK47's and make some bricks out of that cow dung. Before long you'll have built something worth defending. Just stop bothering us. As if we're all going to become Muslims because we're Sooooo afraid of you. Well we still build the best weopon systems in the world. How about we radiate Mecca and Medina? Sure you can still walk around them in your gay little robes.

In closing I would just like to remind you of a few absolutely unrefutable facts.
 1. Sarah Palin does have some Hienie on her.
 2. She was winking at me.
 3. Cindy McCain is Hot!
 4. Republican women are cuter than Democrats.

And... That my friends is why I am a card carrying Republican. It doesn't matter who gets elected. If you want change then kick out your congressman.

Another public service message from your old uncle Joe.

I'm Joe A and I approve this message.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 10, 2008, 08:25:48 PM
Good post Joe!  Wink,!! ;) ;)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 10, 2008, 09:17:33 PM
Here is another link that some of you might find interesting i sure did.

    www.danielpipes.org/article/5544
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 10, 2008, 09:31:26 PM
Joe, McCain's wife had to much plastic work done. she looks like a old Barbie doll. :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 10, 2008, 09:36:22 PM
Here is another link that some of you might find interesting i sure did.

    www.danielpipes.org/article/5544

Very intresting. I have read his birth certificate may be a fraud. very scary indeed.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 10, 2008, 09:58:07 PM
Obama's mother finished her Ph.D. dissertation in 1992, which she had worked on, between jobs, for almost two decades. The thesis was 1,000 pages. She received her Ph.D. in anthropology.
She learned she had ovarian and uterine cancer in 1994. She died on Nov. 7, 1995, at 52.
Would this be the Honolulu whore you're referring to Joe?

Quote
I encourage all American Muslims to wear their towelhead thingy wraps as it makes an excellent target. You see most people aim too low and by aiming for towel they should get a head shot.
You say American Muslims are basically fair game. I know you're joking even though I don't find it funny. In the term American Muslims, you fixated on the word muslim. You completely skipped that they were Americans.

I think you like stirring the pot a little. Sorry Joe, but I don't care for this post. Calling the dead mother of a US senator a whore? You may want to cut down on the peyote. That kind of 'scat' is uncalled for.

PLJ - I had a look. Seriously, how unbiased would that site be? There was a McCain/Palin ad on every page. Propaganda is rampant. If you want to find the truth go to a unbiased news site. (CNN, Rueters etc) Any joker can create their own website. I can make a website in 2 hours the states that McCain wears garters under his clothes, that he likes to be called 'Brenda' on fridays and that he has a tattoo that reads 'Property of Bruno' on his butt ... but that doesn't make it true.

Snowbear -  :-\   A fake birth cert? You'd think they'd check that sort of thing when you become a senator huh. Oh wait...they do.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: guzzitx on October 10, 2008, 11:54:53 PM
Fi- You made some good points. There should definitely be a separation of church and state (its in the US constitution isn't it?).

Ummh, no it it isn't.
Never. Anywhere.
I am in no way a "churchy" person, but your commonly held misunderstanding is quite wrong.
Ask the man who wrote it.
http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: herb on October 11, 2008, 09:47:12 AM
Hi Snowbear -You mentioned that Obama was lying about graduating from Columbia. according to Columbia University's web site Obama graduated from Columbia in 1983 with a BA in Political Science.  He also graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991.

You mentioned earlier that he is a crook. Can you elaborate on that. thanks, herb
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 11, 2008, 10:03:13 AM
I think what you read is a lie also... My crook I mean he just lies is deceiving the public. Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 11, 2008, 10:26:52 AM
Herb, he "attended" Columbia University but never finished.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: herb on October 11, 2008, 11:32:36 AM
Hi Snowbear - Columbia University web site says he earned a B.A. Check it out. Why would they say he earned a B.A. if he only attended and did not graduate. No matter whom we are voting for, the truth is important. Herb
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: chrysochloridae on October 11, 2008, 02:22:52 PM
Golden mole(hope you dont mind me using it) here is one for you, when i first moved to TEXAS two years ago, you didnt dare say anything bad about G.W. and now most of the state dosent want anything to do with him except his rich oil buddies down here, his name has gotten to be a dirty word for most of us here in the state.

Has it gotten so bad 4 GW that even his home state has turned against him?
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: chrysochloridae on October 11, 2008, 02:24:48 PM
Quote
1. Sarah Palin does have some Hienie on her.

LOL Joe, do u think her cute hienie can win the election???
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 11, 2008, 02:26:09 PM
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the truth is important

I agree,  but unfortunately propaganda works :-\
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 11, 2008, 04:18:54 PM
Hi Snowbear - Columbia University web site says he earned a B.A. Check it out. Why would they say he earned a B.A. if he only attended and did not graduate. No matter whom we are voting for, the truth is important. Herb

I did don't believe it for one minute.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 11, 2008, 05:15:48 PM
There's where we disagree for I did don't do.

 ;)

Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 11, 2008, 05:50:43 PM
Well Herb and others soon we will all know who the leader of the USA will be. And then we will see what happens. Either guy we need to try to respect him.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 11, 2008, 09:27:47 PM
Now, we agree.

You and me both want the best man to win. In my reasoning very few people really know who the best candidate is. Not the best for some agenda but the best for the nation and the best for the world. We all think we know but how can we possibly know what is within our candidates? We both are fed sound bites and orchestrated photo ops which they hope will sway each and every one of us to their side. Real and imagined 'facts' are shoved in our mouths from both sides along with our morning porridge. These people are politicians and want to be in office. We choose our sides with a hope that this one person will bring us to the promised land and make all the hurt go away.

So raise your glasses, and 'May the best man win'.



Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 11, 2008, 09:45:42 PM
Click, click! of our glasses! :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Dick Stevens on October 12, 2008, 02:46:34 AM
Personally, I think that Sarah Palin could do the other 49 states a very big favor and remain the Governor of Alaska.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: herb on October 12, 2008, 06:12:11 AM
Good observation, Dick
It always seems that when politics and religion are discussed together, it brings out the worst in people. herb
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 12, 2008, 06:23:02 AM
Personally, I think that Sarah Palin could do the other 49 states a very big favor and remain the Governor of Alaska.

So she wouldn't be doing Alaska any favors by remaining the Gov? (Only kidding! :D)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 12, 2008, 07:51:38 AM
However, That best man ti win is McCain!! LOL ;)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 12, 2008, 08:29:01 AM
HI . i agree with how and the way this is turning, LET THE BEST COUPLE WIN, I know whom i am voting for and also going to vote a split ticket agian this time, matter in fact i have my ballot laying on my desk right now, for down here in TEXAS, you can vote early and at home if you are over 65 and or disabled, will open it today and do what i have to do.

I do know that every vote counts, and if you dont vote you have no room to complain if things do not go the way you feel they should, I  have told that to my grandson and he still says that his vote dosent count.
There are too many people here in the USA that feel that way and need to get thier head back on track and vote and get some of thier clown out and new people in, whiether or not they will be any good or not, there is a lot of REPRESENTIVES and SENATORS, that need to be kicked out both on the national level and state level. We have one that lives right here in town the needs to be kicked out, for he seems to think that he know what we need and dosent listen to what we are telling him.

This post is just my two cents worth and how i feel about it all.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 12, 2008, 10:27:00 AM
I agree with your 2 cents PLJ! :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: dotson on October 12, 2008, 11:25:39 AM
Steve C., on Oct 10, you told me to run, and I did, but sometimes you just have to slug it out one more time.  Old John is getting so sluggish, sometimes I think he'll croak before he gets across the debate floor.  It's a fact that candidates don't deliver all they say they will, but at least I want to vote for one who espouses the things that are important to us.  If old John wins and puts a freeze on most government programs, you will see a depression that would shock the people who lived through the one in 1929.  This time people have been so spoiled having everything they want, they will burn down the cities.  The masses cannot be controlled. 
     Like my dear old Pappy used to say, "Son don't get in a P...... contest with a skunk, you'll lose every time"  so I'm out of here!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 12, 2008, 03:56:56 PM
Biden is no spring chicken. He's right behind John McCain. McCain may be older but much more wiser!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: chrysochloridae on October 12, 2008, 04:14:07 PM
I want to bring back Bill Clinton for 1 more term!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 12, 2008, 04:46:19 PM
Holy shit !!  {excuse my french } I haven't  had time to read  posts for two days and all  "you know what"  breaks loose.  If this were to be an honest election, not an {Acorn} election ; then that would be fine..but it isn't due to people registered & voting on the same day "same person,voting  several times"  ...would not call this a fair election......all swing states are in a complete mess.  Mine included.

I can't believe this is happening in the USA.  I am a proud republician & will vote for my President & his VP pick.  As for the Clintons....they will vote the same way.  ;)  Bill told me so.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 12, 2008, 05:03:00 PM
HEY! Ann! happy to see you post again! :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 12, 2008, 05:04:45 PM
Here they made a mistake and had Osama not Obama on the write in votes..People are not happy. I'll keep my thoughts to myself about this one. ;D
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 12, 2008, 05:05:54 PM
I want to bring back Bill Clinton for 1 more term!

Are you NUTS? :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 12, 2008, 06:40:11 PM
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 12, 2008, 07:20:49 PM
Steve C, the main reason i vote by mail is that the polling place for me is in convenuint and buts a strain on my legs to vote, dont get me wrong for it is handicapped accessable, but it is a lot easier for me and my wife to do it here at the house and then mail it in, that way we donot fail to vote cause i have the ballets laying on my desk where i see them all the time until we vote and mail them in, it come in real handy for us seniors and the ones that have a hard time even getting out of thier houses. and it is not used because it might rain on the 2nd of nov. there would have to be a hurricane or tornado hit us to stop me from voting.  For i believe that each and every vote counts, no matter who get in. And for haveing better things to do on election day is a bunch of bull pucy, cause by law they have let you off of work so that you can go and vote.

And i will say it agian, it just makes it easier for us senior citizens to vote. and a lot of us down here do it this way.


P.S. Mole are you nuts!!!!!!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 12, 2008, 09:04:09 PM
'Steve'  are you telling me you have better things to do on election day? or does it rain everyday in Ireland   ;) ann
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 13, 2008, 06:18:04 AM
PLJ -  I know and I completely agree. Anyone that because of health or a disability or location cannot or would have difficulty with voting should vote by absentee ballot. Thats why it there. I was just making fun of the 'better things to do' and not going because of rain.

Ann - Rain. Definitely! You may have heard of Irelands '40 shades of green', thats only because we have rain. Lots of rain, if we didn't we would have 40 shades of brown.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 13, 2008, 09:52:08 AM
Steve C,  i agree and do understand and there was no offence taken, and like you we  get our share of rain down here, lasts year we had over 50 inches, not that bad this year
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 13, 2008, 09:58:44 AM
We have had a very rainy summer this year. It rained more days then it was sunny. Make me wonder how much SNOW will come? Maybe enough to make a snowbear! :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 13, 2008, 10:22:31 AM
.  I am a proud Republican & will vote for my President & his VP pick. 


I'm right behind you Ann! I too am a proud Republican and will Vote for our president and his VP.

We sure as hell don't want anymore Clintons!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 13, 2008, 11:25:43 AM
Hey you guys, we don't need Teo to have a good ol' rough-housing time.  I'm sorry, I just had to say that.  I really do hope Teo is finding the help he so desperately needed.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 13, 2008, 12:01:43 PM
"LOL Joe, do u think her cute hienie can win the election???"

Absolutely. Sarah Palin has turned Pennsylvania into a "Schwinnng" State.

Yes. O'Bammy's mother was a whore in Honolulu and the mere suggestion that she can't be one due to her education is an insult to educated whores everywhere. You can't begrudge someone their living or their right to post graduate education. That's discrimination and unbecoming to our forum.

I always vote in person as they tend to sneak little things onto the ballot called referendum. Like, "Should we all just stop paying taxes and send the bill to Joe?"

I think you all are taking this election far too seriously. Everything that "Is" will continue to "Be" for several years. Then move your money out of hard assets and take advantage of the dismal Fannies and Freddies at less than a dollar per share. Buy that second home you wanted at 60% off. Get that new car at less than cost with Zero interest for 7 years. Yes. Good times are just around the corner.

On Wednesday the 8th, I drove up to Lehigh University to see McCain and Palin. Security wouldn't let me near the place due to me having a winch and a gate lift on my pickup truck. I walked a blister on my good foot. There was a lot of "Speachafying" and cheering but after waiting a long while the moment came that I had been waiting for. Sarah Palin stepped up to get aboard the "Straight Talk Express", She turned and waved to me, then raised her delightful derriere, balanced and beset upon yon red spectator pumps, turned again and winked at me. I could feel my Pacemaker flutter or was it my telltale heart. I'll never know for in a moment she was gone. Off like a Prom Gown never to grace my eyes with her presence again....(sigh)

Now all of you stop this bickering. When you get in the booth just pull one lever, "Republican".
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 13, 2008, 12:22:38 PM
Yeah, just vote for the one with the big t*ts and the nice ar*e, that's the way Joe...
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 13, 2008, 12:25:14 PM
There you go! You're catching onto it. We're not selecting a new Queen. It's a temp position.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 13, 2008, 12:26:50 PM
It's a shame we don't have any politicians that look anywhere near as good as her...  :'(
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 13, 2008, 12:48:02 PM
Well. You had Lady Spencer who was as loved all over the world as she was in England. When the Queen, HRM and Prince Phillip came to celebrate the anniversary of Jamestown, it was clear what "Majesty" meant. Everything about her commanded respect. The closest thing we have to her in America is the Constitution. We don't look at politicians as ruling entities just stewards of the documents we live by. The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

When we take our oath we swear to, "Support and defend the Constitution against all enemy's foreign and domestic"
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 13, 2008, 04:54:41 PM
Yes. O'Bammy's mother was a whore in Honolulu and the mere suggestion that she can't be one due to her education is an insult to educated whores everywhere. You can't begrudge someone their living or their right to post graduate education. That's discrimination and unbecoming to our forum.

I didn't expect this sort of rubbish from you Joe. Its disappointing. I really shouldn't have to say this but why don't we leave Obamas mother out of it. 
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 13, 2008, 05:59:53 PM
Tell your Mama :) NO Obama!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 13, 2008, 09:25:03 PM
Why? Because he repeatedly brings her into his O"Bammy personna. His sales pitch. If he didn't want her talked about he wouldn't have brought
her up.Beyond that he was raised by her family. I'm sorry rubbish is truth but as I often say, I didn't make the world, I just live in it like everyone else. It may be disappointing to you but for you to expect anything short of the honest insight from me would be crushing to us both.

This nonsense of only taxing me wouldn't fly if he said he would only tax another minority now would it? I am part of only 10% of the population. Why is it good to segregate me so long as it's just taxes? Would the same thing fly if he was only going to raise taxes on the Blacks who make up 12% of the population How about only raising taxes on the Hispanics at 14%? Why? Because they haven't any money that's why.

But hey.... lets not talk about....

   His Mother. :'(
   His Religion. :P
   His Race. ???
   His Talent. :D
   His Experience. ;D
   His association with Terrorists. :-[
   His Loser of a running mate. ::)
   His awful wife. :-*
   His Name Barack "Hussein" Obama. :-\
   His blatant discrimination of the top 10% of earners in the country?

So what's left? The answer is nothing and that's the point of O'Bammy. No substance at all. Nothing just smoke and mirrors. None of it will fly. None.

I want a man running the country who knows how to start a Fighter. I want a VP who can bring down a Moose in the morning, cook it up for supper and still look good as she heads up the Senate.

But here let me appolgize to all those who are offended that his Momma was a Honolulu whore. Yeah like it's all my fault Ok? Like I was herPimp or something Ok? Like I was the second gunman on the grassy knowl right? Like I secretly joined the Democratic party in the middle of the night. Snuck into their headquarters and slipped the name Sammy O'Bammy to the top of their list as possible Presidential candidates knowing his questionable familial history would later be discovered ad embarrass the entire nation meanwhile I was being secretly paid by the Clintons who really wanted to come back to the Whitehouse just to steal the good china and silver service so I hid out in the Intensive Care Unit letting them give me open heart surgery. It all would have come together except Hillary blew the  primary election.

Meanwhile... I'm laying in the hospital bed chatting with Tom Clancy regarding my book and movie deal because that's what amputees do (see HMM site) all the while it's nothing but a clever little ruse on my part to hide the fact that Erlichman, Halderman, Mitchell and Dean had already foiled the plot by secretly recording the whole shebang on18 minutes of cassette tape now hidden in the national achives.

What else could I do? I called Nicholas Cage and together we broke into the vault, Not the normal vault but the secret Nixon vault which also holds the information of our arival on Earth and how we plan to take over the world but I digress. We found the tapes onl to discover that the 18 minutes have been erased leaving no solid evidence other than my testiment that Sammy's Mammy was renting Hammy in O'nolulu. Just to piss you off right?
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 13, 2008, 09:35:57 PM
Steve, Your in Ireland it has no reflection on you you really have no say. Sorry but you really don't. We do not want this Obama for our wonderful FREE country. We do not need socialism in this country. Thanks for you opinions.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 13, 2008, 09:54:59 PM
Actually, Steve is an expatriate who may still be entitled to vote if he hasn't renounced his citizenship. Besides what we do here effects the whole world. Just look at the international market. I've always believed in isolationism. Homogenizing the world economy just means we all suffer equaly but they all think the grass is greener here. It's still the same grass. We're just free to grow it the way we want.

Lets talk about Palin (.)(.) Now there's a little slice of Heaven eh?

As Al Capone once said, "Vote early and vote often."
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 13, 2008, 10:24:13 PM
I mean Steve No disrespect. He is a good guy I enjoy his comments and post. I know how we vote effects the rest of the world.  Soon enough we will all know who the winner will be.


Palin is good I really like this gutsy women. She is one tuff cookie.

Hey Joe, Hope your OK. You mentioned your in the hospital take care! :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Fi on October 14, 2008, 01:42:24 AM
"We do not want this Obama for our wonderful FREE country. We do not need socialism in this country"

Have you ever heard the word oxymoron Snowbear? Same goes for any comments about not wanting muslims to lead your country.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 14, 2008, 06:40:33 AM
yes and I will not change my mind.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 14, 2008, 07:11:14 AM
It's the size of the gun you own and how many people you shoot if you need to that matters in the good ol' US of A... you deserve yourselves, thank god I live here... "


I want a man running the country who knows how to start a Fighter. I want a VP who can bring down a Moose in the morning
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 14, 2008, 07:15:27 AM
USA Is a wonderful country don't knock it until you tried it! :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: herb on October 14, 2008, 08:18:53 AM
Joe - Could you please explain why you are calling Obama's mother a whore? Did you know her personally? Is she that because she married an African man? herb
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 14, 2008, 10:01:35 AM
USA Is a wonderful country don't knock it until you tried it! :)

You're right, I shouldn't, it's just some of you make it very difficult...  ;)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 14, 2008, 12:45:13 PM
 :) :) I wised the darn smilies worked!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 14, 2008, 05:11:28 PM
Herb,
I shall not speak of it again. Whenever someone finds an issue disturbing enough to ask me to let it be I will comply in good faith that they too will extend the same courtesy to me at another time as well.
 
OBL,
Your perspective is askew. We don't make it difficult. We make it easy.

Snowbear,
 Look on with great interest at those posting from other country's. Understand that we frighten them to death. We can start and end a war anywhere on the planet in a nanosecond and not even miss lunch. We have them looking over their shoulders at the sound of any bang for a mushroom cloud. The sad part is that we'll do it and think nothing more of it than swatting a pestering insect.

Who else would we trust with that much power?
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 14, 2008, 05:57:37 PM
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Herb,
I shall not speak of it again. Whenever someone finds an issue disturbing enough to ask me to let it be I will comply in good faith that they too will extend the same courtesy to me at another time as well.
 

A change of tune Joe? I thought she was his sales pitch? I thought that it was fair game to drag the deceased mother of a US Senator through the mud because you don't like her son.  Or is the change of tune because Herb asked for proof? Closing arguments?
(damn Joe this is our first argument in 6 years? Not too bad. Anyway I think we can lay down the swords and just say I'm right and you're wrong. Alright then, lets move on.)

Now with what you said to Snowbear. Since moving overseas I have acquired a different view of America. I still have a fondness but more for the Andy Griffith Show type of life. I miss the American fable. I love my family and friends that live in the states, but I don't think I could live there again. Obviously, It isn't till you live overseas that you can see America how it is viewed from afar. It would be like a room full of the like minded and saying "Ah geez lads, aren't we great." but the crowd outside are just shaking their heads saying 'what a bunch of ...'.

What you said:
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Look on with great interest at those posting from other country's. Understand that we frighten them to death. We can start and end a war anywhere on the planet in a nanosecond and not even miss lunch. We have them looking over their shoulders at the sound of any bang for a mushroom cloud. The sad part is that we'll do it and think nothing more of it than swatting a pestering insect.

So why would that be a good thing? To me, that is nothing that America should strive for or want. That is not what I would want for America. I can't imagine all the nations sitting around a round table singing kumbaya but since when is arrogance and causing death something to strive for and brag about?

Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 14, 2008, 05:59:19 PM
OBL,
Your perspective is askew. We don't make it difficult. We make it easy.

Some of you make NOT knocking the USA difficult... get it? or have I lost some sort of irony you were attempting?

What you say about us being frightened says more about you than it does about us... I feel pity for what you are becoming, not threatened.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: tbrbeast on October 14, 2008, 06:02:43 PM
Steve - your post about vote by mail being an absentee ballot isn't totally correct.  In Oregon, we have vote by mail - all registered voters receive their ballots in the mail and can return them the same way.  No need to register for an absentee ballot although it is still available for those who will be out of state when the regular ballots are mailed.  Applies to all elections - local, state and federal.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: tbrbeast on October 14, 2008, 06:03:59 PM
Steve - your post about vote by mail being an absentee ballot isn't totally correct.  In Oregon, we have vote by mail - all registered voters receive their ballots in the mail and can return them the same way.  No need to register for an absentee ballot although it is still available for those who will be out of state when the regular ballots are mailed.  Applies to all elections - local, state and federal.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 14, 2008, 06:07:57 PM
"A change of tune Joe?"

Not at all Steve. I can't change history but I can comply with your request.

Now can we please get on with the important issues? Did anyone see Palin in Virginia today? I did. But that's because I like when she winks at me.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 14, 2008, 06:18:05 PM
Have you noticed how McCain walks a bit like Harold Lloyd?
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 14, 2008, 07:31:16 PM
Who? never heard of Harold Lloyd ???
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 14, 2008, 08:37:32 PM
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Fi on October 14, 2008, 10:07:28 PM
I agree with OnwBlue Leg whole heartedly. I have no idea who you think you are frightening into submission but it's certainly not me. The fact that you have even used the word "fear" I think says a lot about you and your country though. Keep the masses afraid and they will agree to anything. Including bombing innocent people. That is the culture you live by in your "free" world. God/ Allah help you.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 15, 2008, 03:23:08 AM
Allah

Loving that Fi :D :D ;)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: SusanN366 on October 15, 2008, 08:40:56 AM
Oh my God, Joe, what a disgusting and ignorant thing to say about Obama's mother.  I remember you as being a good-hearted guy who used to go to a monastery for contemplative retreats and talk about the magic in the number "pi."  I have not agreed with a lot of what you've said in the past, but I've usually respected your reasoned judgment until recently. 

Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 15, 2008, 01:58:39 PM
I am still a proud American.  I love my country & everything she stands for ~ to most people.  I am a republician & proud of that also.  I really do not think this needs to go farther.  Because you are 70 {does this make you} older than dirt?  Because you are pretty {does this make you} dumb?  I don't think so.  We have had so many dirty remarks about Gov. Palin & John McCain it's unbelieveable.  Lets cut the crap!! :(
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 15, 2008, 03:35:59 PM
Young, strong, healthy examples of some of the best of America:  http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/4days
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 15, 2008, 04:40:15 PM
Myff you disappoint me.  You realize you are saying "older" are to be thrown away. :'(
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 15, 2008, 06:42:13 PM
Absolutely not, ann! 

But would you want your doctor, your dentist, your pediatrician, your banker, your financial advisor, your building contractor, your surgeon...heck, your acupuncturist!...haha...to START working at 72?  Anyone that you need to rely on heavily, who has a lot of influence and power on your life, who is critical to your family's wellbeing, to START working at 72?  When he isn't even healthy? 

Come on, ann!  I realize that the president, or the prime minister, of a country doesn't act alone, that he/she is part of a team, but this person will be critical to the wellbeing of your country, and by extension, to the whole world!  Look at the man!  He's old, he doesn't look well.  Hey, I'm 61, I'm not going to diminish or knock the contributions of the older population.  But I can tell you, as a medical professional, that our facilities ...though the range is great ...our mental and physical facilities and abilities decrease with age.  My God, it's common sense!

This man is starting a career ...and, yes, Joe, it may only be for four years, but we've seen how GW's admin has nearly brought down the US in two terms, eight years!  Seventy-two is old, he's already had a stressful life, many medical challenges, and he's taking on a job that is critical to the wellbeing, peace and health of the whole WORLD...AND his running mate, his back up, has limited credentials (and mentals!)...is this what you want?  Haven't you had enough of the president being a joke??
 
Wouldn't you rather have someone in charge who's got a young brain, good health, well-educated, logical thinker, peacemaker and with a very reliable back up...a team that is young enough, wise enough not to be learning-on-the-job puppets or too old and sick to do the job themselves.  Come on!  Think of yourselves as employers.  Who would you hire?  Really, if you don't want your business to go down the tubes.  And, Joe, save the rude remarks.  Shame on you, calling people names.  People, this is a public forum: some of you really need to leave the U.S. for awhile and see truly how the rest of the world views you. Some of you are letting your country down, showing yourselves to be uneducated, rude and boorish.   

Now you've only got two to choose from.  Please make the right and wise choice.  Because, God help you, guess what? YOU have to live with it. 


Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 15, 2008, 06:49:33 PM
Myff, you can be assured that I will make the correct decision.  :)


Question:  what have you got against Gov. Palin?
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 15, 2008, 07:08:29 PM
Well, she really doesn't have the "right" experience.  Alaska, granted is a high energy producing state, but still "small" really, population, sophistication, etc.  She keeps talking down "those folks in Washington".  Well, guess what? if they win, she'll be one of those folks and she doesn't have the experience or connections to know her way around, plus she's already got her country "back up".  So, really, how supportive can she be?

She's pro-gun, pro-war, anti-abortion...but I think the biggie, at least for me, is that she's not smart enough!  If you watch that Katy Couric interview, I realize it was all new for her and she no doubt was "doing her best", but a smart person would have said, "I'm sorry, I don't know, but I'll find out for you or get you the right and correct answer as soon as possible".  Smart people know when they're being dumb! 

And, again, it seems some folks are favouring her for her looks??   Oh, dear...as I said, God help the United States of America! 
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 15, 2008, 07:16:10 PM
Myff, i have already voted and have mailed it in, but i can say one thing the McCain, looks pretty dog gone good especially concedering that he spent 5 years at HANOI HILTON, which at that time was not a very nice place to be. i lost a couple of close friend that were there.

most of us would like to be able to work after we have passed 72, i know cause i plan on going back to work next year after my SOCIAL SUCURITY DISABLITY, converts over to regular social sucurty, when i turn 66.

One never know just what is going to happen until that person gets into office, and i can say that GHB AND GWB, didnt do a very good job.

And i dont think or feel that BO can handle it.

Will be glad when the next 20 days are over with
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 15, 2008, 08:09:08 PM
Right on PLJ! I respect McCain over Obama any day. The man has more experience and intelligence.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: guzzitx on October 15, 2008, 11:23:47 PM
I saw McCain as my Dad.
My dad is 76 years old, busted his ass all his life.
Did what needed doing. Used up his body and health in the process.
He gave up everything for himself to better his family.
I respect him for his sacrifices and accomplishments.
I wouldn't let him drive me across the country, much less lead my country.

I see Obama as a car salesman, full of ideas of how groovy this new ride is gonna be.
How it's gonna get paid for, we'll get to that later...

Ain't buying that, either.
Tonight, I mourn for our country.

What a lousy choice of candidates.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 16, 2008, 06:43:30 AM
Biden is no young man either. After last nights debate my choice is even more confirmed for McCain.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 16, 2008, 09:04:30 AM
Didnt even watch it last night, because i have already made my choice, and it is in the mail.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 16, 2008, 11:09:05 AM
Didnt even watch it last night, because i have already made my choice, and it is in the mail.

It's not worth watching if it doesn't include Sarah Palin  ;)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 16, 2008, 12:37:44 PM
Didnt even watch it last night, because i have already made my choice, and it is in the mail.

Us too I flipped through the channels on the TV up satires. Hubby watched Hockey! ::)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 16, 2008, 01:13:00 PM
PLJ ~ hope you don't mind me asking, but why isn't your social security going to be enough?  Hubby took early retirement & went to regular @ age requirement...no change much in amount we receive.  In fact it is almost the same amount.

I watched last night...but me & Joe {the plumber} already have our choice picked out.  And yes, I agree, I will be glad when our election is over.


OneBlueLeg ~I don't need Sarah to watch the debates.  ;) 


Steve ~ from Ireland and the 40 shades of green...Have you already retired?  Sorry, but you don't look near old enough.  Is writing your profession?  Guess I am being nosey.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 16, 2008, 01:20:00 PM
By the time my husband retires in  25 years their may be no Social Security. ???
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 16, 2008, 02:35:55 PM
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Steve ~ from Ireland and the 40 shades of green...Have you already retired?  Sorry, but you don't look near old enough.  Is writing your profession?  Guess I am being nosey.

I don't mind. No, I'm not retired and my profession is illustrator/painter really. I have one of those professions that people can work until they drop. I found it hard to get a job the children's book illustration niche (its tough to break in. Before working as a illustrator I was a boatman, thats how I lost my leg) so I wrote my own book. I love books for the pleasure of adventure but I wanted mine to help children that are having a hard time. They say 'write about what you know' so overcoming a disability, (the physical and the mental aspects) seemed the ticket.
I working (on and off) on another book that will be more along the lines of a adventure.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 16, 2008, 04:18:09 PM
Thanks "steve"....an honorable one at that.  It's a remarkable thing you are doing for disabled children.

Painting {pictures}.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 16, 2008, 04:22:16 PM
'snowbear'  hopefully that isn't the case when your hubby retires....although my kids do not receive retirement {like my husband did} from their jobs.  They have their 401K and thats retirement for them.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 16, 2008, 04:36:50 PM
Thank you, Ann.
We all help each other. Personally, my biggest help came when I met a amputee at the hospital soon after my op. He was about my age and we chatted for about 10 minutes and just seeing him walking about helped me immensely. Hopefully my little book (26 pages) can help a child but the best thing would probably be seeing another child that has been through the same thing.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 16, 2008, 05:16:43 PM
Ann, it isnt the fact that my social secirty isnt enough it is just the fact that i like to keep my self busy, it drive me nuts to set around and have nothing to do, and working on my models and this house is starting to get old, and i need a change, it doesnt have to be full time, just a couple of days just to break the routine up a bit is all, but as it stands i can only make 970 clear after taxes and deductions for six months and then they will take my social security disablity away from me cause they say i am gainfully employed, and can live on the amount,
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 17, 2008, 10:16:03 AM
Ann, it isnt the fact that my social secirty isnt enough it is just the fact that i like to keep my self busy, it drive me nuts to set around and have nothing to do, and working on my models and this house is starting to get old, and i need a change, it doesnt have to be full time, just a couple of days just to break the routine up a bit is all, but as it stands i can only make 970 clear after taxes and deductions for six months and then they will take my social security disablity away from me cause they say i am gainfully employed, and can live on the amount,


I see, you are one of those people who never stop  :)  and they are telling you that $970 is enough to live on for 6 months....Grrrrrrrr....
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 17, 2008, 06:09:31 PM
Boy. People get things so messed up.
Friday I will be in Clipper Magazine Stadium 650 N Prince St. Lancaster, PA.
Where I will again wait for Gov. Palin to wink, wave and wiggle her way even further into my heart.

Would you like to hear O'Bammy admit to being Muslim? He let it slip while being interviewed by George Snuffillufigus. Just follow the bouncing link.

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/oopsies-my-muslim-faith/

Want to see how they proved his birth certificate was a forgery? OBTW: I can get you one as well for just $19.95.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

Want to see how he used ACORN to conjure up nearly 85,000 dead and nonexistant voters?

http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/acorn/

?: Does ACORN really stand for American Coalition of Retired Negroes?

"WE Want: Free houses!
               Free Loans!
               Free Healthcare!
               Free Heating Oil
               Free electric
               Free Gasoline
               Free Higher education with no addmission standards

Anything else the working world can get for you? How about a nice Honda Accord? We don't mind paying for everything. Why not? We earn... Oh no wait... I don't want you to think we work for our money., The new PC is we "Make" as if we print the shit in our backyard shed. Yes we "Make" over 250,000 as does the man who sponsors this site. Why don't all you Bammyphiles give him a call and tell him, he shouldn't mind?

As for myself, I've seen better heads on pumpkins.

http://www.zimbio.com/pilot?ZURL=%2FPresidential%2BPumpkin%2BPatterns%2Farticles%2F2%2FPresidential%2BPumpkin%2BPatterns%2BJust%2BTime%2BHalloween&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fhosted.ap.org%2Fspecials%2Finteractives%2F_lifestyles%2Fpolitical_pumpkins%2F

Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 17, 2008, 06:23:17 PM
And Missy Susan...
Anyone doing the Kalakaua ave. Stroll after sunset is.....
 A. A Prostitute
 B. Buying Drugs
 C. Selling Drugs
 D. About to Kill You for Pocket Change.
 E. Really Really Lost

 But Hey... Pleae crawl up my poolu like She's my mommy Ok. I don't care what she did for a living but as I know, you know, a Ph.D doesn't guarantee anyone employment on the island.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 17, 2008, 06:54:06 PM
"Joe"  yes I heard that interview w/George Snuffillufigus...and I have to say it does worry me.  Sorry Fi, but it really does.  After all, it was muslin people who attacked us.  I am not saying they are all bad, but it still worries me.

Joe, just remember we are a strong people & maybe I am worring about nothing.  I just don't know.   :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 17, 2008, 07:24:15 PM
Your evidence is that she walked down a street. Nice try Joe but no dice. Did you see her? Or would this be a something you heard from a friend of a friend who knew this guy that washed the car of this fella and heard him say that he knew this drunk guy who saw it?
I tried to find something, anything to suggest what you said was true on the internet. I assume someone would have it written somewhere. I found nothing. The McCain researchers would be searching for such a little nugget of information. Wouldn't the McCain camp have used your little tidbit of damning information? This a political gold. Maybe McCain just forgot. When you're hangin with Palin in PA give a tug on her hem and let her in on your info. I bet she'd love it.

As far as the blooper in the interview. He misspoke. I do it all the time.   


Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: herb on October 17, 2008, 09:16:10 PM
Hi Ann - you say that you are worried about muslims because a few of the billions of muslims attacked us. We were attacked at the Oklahoma Federal building by terrorist Terry Nichols who is a born again christian. Are you also  worried about all other born again christians? herb
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 18, 2008, 09:57:48 AM
With all respect Herb, get real! That is no comparsion to the Oklahoma situation. We have every right to fear Muslims. They are raised to attack us. and taught Americans are the evil.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 18, 2008, 11:34:09 AM
Every religion has its radical element. Christian, Protestant, Muslim etc. You cannot judge a religion by its extremists.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 18, 2008, 04:07:02 PM
Guys I am sorry, but thousands of muslins are raised from birth to hate us & to kill themselves while getting to us.  I don't undersand this...do you?  If so, tell me why.  And no I don't believe all born again christians are terrorists, but it does make you fearful when they hit you.  Doesn't this worry you?  ann 
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 18, 2008, 04:52:33 PM
Thay is exactely right on Ann, people need to wake up. good post Ann!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 18, 2008, 10:20:01 PM
In the military (navy) I was always told to know my enemy. Know their habit, their ideology, know why they hate me. When we know why they hate us we know how we can defeat them.
Will any of us actually do this? No, but read their doctrine. The koran. Read from the horses mouth what they actually believe. It won't convert you but know what is in their heads.

The only reason I write this is because as I understand it the muslim faith is a peaceful one. The muslims you see in the news are the extremists. The Christians, Protestants, Catholics, (basically everyone but the Amish) has religious factions killing and maiming each other in the name of their God. The people doing these things would not be the everyday 'Joe the plumber'. Joe the plumber professes his faith quietly in his home or church with no thoughts of harm to others. Think of yourselves. If you hate the muslims would you, could you kill one? No. Of course not. Why? Because you want peace. That is a human goal. CNN and Rueters won't cover Joe the Muslim plumber because he is boring. Joe the extremist gets all the coverage. Every religion has extremists.
When thinking of your everyday muslim walking down the road think back in recent history to World War II. Pearl Harbour was bombed by the Imperial Japanese Navy. Your everyday Joe the Japanese plumber was herded up and carted off to (basically) prisoner of war camps. These were Americans who by definition of their heritage were targeted for imprisonment. Was it right? No. Some of the men interred were veterans of WW1 and who fought for America. We new that Japan bombed Pearl Harbour and we went a bit mad and rounded up US japanese citizens. We are close if not just mentally in condeming the muslims in the same manner.

Now, to the real problem. I assume all the muslim talk is in regards to Obama. Obama is not muslim. We all must be very careful in regards to all the propaganda that preys on our fears. Know the facts. Read everything you can from unbiased sources. If you read from anti-Obama sites or 'republican sites' you will get political mumbo jumbo. Read from people who are NOT trying to sway you. THEN make us your mind. I assume that some muslims are fed anti-American rhetoric much as we are fed anti-muslim rhetoric. If only both sides actually knew the other, I would wager that we get along just fine. We'd be different but we would respect each other.

I must assume that all is falling on deaf ears. Many if not all have made up their minds one way or another.

For what its worth, I am agnostic. I can respect a person who is religious but I would not hold any religius views myself. I wish I did, but I don't. Why do I mention all this muslim stuff? I just don't like seeing people discriminated against.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 18, 2008, 10:50:32 PM
You call it discrimination but its not. Its reality and common sense.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 18, 2008, 11:14:20 PM
Thank you very much for that reasoned post, Steve...blessed logic in a sea of ...what? hate? discrimination? determination, against all evidence to the contrary...determination to be bullheadedly racist. 

I'm sort of a Catholic/Buddhist/Agnostic...mostly the middle one, but I WAS raised Christian/Catholic.  If you took a poll on here, and people were actually honest in their answers, I would bet that most people on this forum are Christian.  So, dear Christian brothers and sisters, what happened to your Christian values?  Like loving your fellow man, treating each person you meet as though they might be Jesus in the flesh.  Forgiveness, compassion, peacemaking, loving, loving, loving...and loving yourselves enough to choose the best for yourselves and your family and your world.  Choosing peace for the world.  Peace isn't just a one-time-a-year sentiment (Christmas); it should be a way of life.

I love the Buddhist greeting, Namaste, which means, "The divine in me greets/acknowledges the God/divine in you." 

Check your bibles: love your fellow man, hate begets hate, violence begets violence.  Choose peace, not madness. 

And be the change you want to see.

Namaste.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 19, 2008, 09:44:33 AM
Thanks Myffanwy.  :) 
I was raised Catholic as well. I was religious to the point of wanting to be a martyr. Not the 'blow myself type' at all, but the 'make my life horrible if it will ease the pain of others type'. Don't get me wrong I wasn't out in the garden flogging myself with my rosary beads, I didn't do anything to spur on my martyrdom except to pray to God to make it happen for the sake of others. I thought that if everyone would want the best for everyone else the world would be better. I would have been pre-teen at the time.
I wasn't outwardly religious, to me it was personal and to be kept on the inside. The only reason I would handle my rosary at all is because I thought it was cool that it glowed in the dark. I was just a kid after all.
In high school we studied ancient religions and I read about these ancient philosophies that people believed in so much that they physically sacrificed themselves. Then it seemed that religions/beliefs came and went (Greek Gods, Norse Gods, Celtic Gods etc). I started thinking that if their religions virtually vanished, why couldn't mine. It was around there that I lost my faith and turned to science. I thought to use the basic guideline of 'do undo others' etc as my script for my life. I try, but I sometimes fail. If I fail then I try again.

I don't condone anything that any radical extremists do. No matter what the religion, cause or reason. But I don't like to see every member of a religion painted with the same brush. If you approached what I believe a good Christian would be and asked them to blow up a abortion clinic would they? No, they'd be appalled. I think the same would happen if you approached your average good muslim.

Sorry if I keep preaching. For some reason this topic has really gotten under my skin.

Myffanwy, Namaste.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 19, 2008, 10:03:22 AM
I was raised Catholic married a wonderful Presbyterian. I received all the sacraments of a catholic starting at christening, confession, communion, confirmation. Except the sacrament of marriage and possibly the sacrament of death. MY husband is not catholic, Which was never  issue at all.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: annieg on October 19, 2008, 01:26:41 PM
Steve, You sound like a man of reason.  I can see you have given this topic a lot of thought.  I can understand where you are coming from.  Keep up the great diologue.  Annieg
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 19, 2008, 02:22:24 PM
Namaste, Steve...and snowbear and annieg...and everyone on here. 
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 19, 2008, 04:24:59 PM
Not sure but dose namaste mean a Hindu greeting? :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 19, 2008, 07:12:24 PM
Yes, Myffanwy mentioned a few posts ago.

"The divine in me greets/acknowledges the God/divine in you." 
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 19, 2008, 07:22:22 PM
Namaste, Steve...and snowbear and annieg...and everyone on here. 


And the same to you Myffanwy! :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Fi on October 19, 2008, 10:59:44 PM
Steve and Myffanwy,

Thank you for your reasoned and insightful comments. You are completely and utterly as much as can be right, right. I love that, the divine in me greets the divine in you. It is a great philosophy for life.

People, Americans, please, please no more bashing of muslims. What on earth do you have against them? What on earth have the majority of them ever done to you? The people who flew into the world trade centre were criminals and were evil. Of course. But the vast, overwhelming majority of muslims would agree with that too. The people who flew into the world trade centre were just using Islam to legitimise what they were doing. You cannot, absolutely cannot, denounce all muslims on the basis of what 10 or 12 madmen did 7 years ago. Do you not see that?

Do you not also see that what made America so great was the fact that all sorts of people from all over the world regardless of whether they were black or white or irish or italian or african or asian, were free to move to America and make their livings there without having to worry about being persecuted because of the colour of their skin, where they came from, or their faith. It breaks my heart to see you lot being so so so bigoted, narrow minded and ignorant of where you have come from as a people and as a nation, What has happened to that spirit? The spirit of what was once one of the greatest countries in the world?

So, everyone, chill, love your neighbour, remember that people are fundamentally good and that the fundamentally bad are few and far between, and remember that everyone is made the same way regardless of the colour of their skin or what religion they choose to follow.

Fi

Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 20, 2008, 06:40:56 AM
Once again its not about color, race, religion or creed. What part of that don't some people get.?Its about what he stands for and how he wants to charge the country. If McCain were for the same policies many people would feel the same. His being a  Muslim has zero to do with it. I fMccain were muslium I would still vote for him due to his thoughts and what he atands for.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 20, 2008, 07:29:17 AM
Snowbear, Fair enough, but in reading over your previous posts you do give the definite impression that you think he is muslim and that you hate muslims. :-\
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 20, 2008, 07:50:26 AM
You read to much into it then. Don't be so judgmental and suspicious.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 20, 2008, 09:06:10 AM
Solution.....

              Subject: BREAKING NEWS  - MESSAGE FROM THE QUEEN!           
                    To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
              In  light of your failure in recent years to nominate competent  candidates for President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. (You  should  look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary.)
 Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties  over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas, which she does not fancy).
 Your new Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded.
 A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you  noticed.
              To aid  in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following   rules are introduced with immediate effect:   
1.   The  letter "U" will be reinstated in words such as "colour," "favour,"  "labour" and "neighbour." Likewise, you will learn to spell "doughnut" without skipping half the  letters, and the suffix "-ize" will be replaced by the suffix  "-ise." 
 Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up "vocabulary").
2.   Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as '"like" and "you know"  is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. 
 The  Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter "u"' and  the  elimination of  "-ize."
3.   July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.
4.   You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists.
The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not quite ready to be independent.
Guns should only be used for shooting grouse.
 If you can't sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a  therapist, then you're not ready to shoot grouse.
5.   Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.
6.   All  intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect.  At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.
7.   The  former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon.  Get used to it.
8.   You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on  calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips  are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup  but with vinegar.
9.   The  cold, tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually  beer at all.  Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted  provenance will be referred to as Lager. Australian beer is  also acceptable, as they are pound for pound the greatest sporting  nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer.  They are  also part of the British Commonwealth - see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.
10. Hollywood  will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys.  Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play  English characters.  Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater.
11. You  will cease playing American football.  There is only
one kind  of proper football; you call it soccer.
 Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body  Armour like  a bunch of nancies).
12.  Further,  you will stop playing  baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the Australians first  to take the sting out of their deliveries.
13. You  must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad
14.  An internal revenue agent (I.e. Tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).
15. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 p.m. with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality  biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 20, 2008, 09:24:45 AM
OBL, am not getting down on you, but do beleive that we kicked the Brit's out once before and i feel that if we had to we could do it agian.

Dont get me wrong for you do have some good things going for you over there and so does other countries. and we are not perfect, one must learn by his mistakes, and i admitt we have done a lot of them over here, but always manage to get over them.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 20, 2008, 11:47:35 AM
OBL
 :D :D :D

Spot on on guns, lawyers, therapists, beer, football, AND RUGBY!!!! (my one and only sport, GO IRELAND,  GO CONNACHT!!!)

but a Queen, tea time? No thanks.

Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 20, 2008, 12:26:49 PM
You forgot soccer! :) Is  Soccer is called football in Ireland?
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 20, 2008, 03:45:58 PM
You forgot soccer! :) Is  Soccer is called football in Ireland?

Yes. Where did the name soccer come from? Football is where you use your feet only. Its only right. Why American football is called football I'll never know. Its daft. It should be called something like 'throwball'.
I tried to watch a American football match in the states a few years ago. I couldn't do it. The constant ad breaks! I couldn't stick it and I had to leave. I'm a diehard rugby fan. After watching 40 mins of pure rugby action then they get a 10 minute break then 40 more mins of action I find it hard to go back to the start and stop of American football.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 20, 2008, 06:35:25 PM
Steve,
I laughed so hard I think I Pee'd a little bit. I'm sure if you could it would certainly help with that nasty smoking habit. I can't quote you but please try to remember you are talking to Americans. We don't speak English.

As for the other again I am not offering you any evidence at all. If you want to know for yourself then get in your car and drive to Honolulu. Can't get there by car? Don't worry the Democrats will be building a bridge soon. Won't cost you a penny. Please recall that I stopped talking about it at your request. My post mentioned a street in Waikiki and not Sammy or his Mammy.

Please do not fear Muslims. They are a peace loving fun people. They just have a little too much time on their hands now that their dictator is dead there just aren't enough people of their own to execute. Jesus tells us to love our neighbors and to love our enemy's. To save time I just love my enemy's neighbor. Don Corleone told us to "keep our friends close and our enemies closer" Really? Are they any more annoying than Moonies at the airport? The Witnesses going door to door? Leaving those cool little "Jesus Comics"? Terrorists are only hiding behind religion.

What people of the world don't and will never see are the millions of innocent people put to death. It's happening everywhere. No you don't need *MY* evidence to prove it to you. Go to Cambodia and see the graves of the 3.5 Million put to death after we left. Go to Northern Iraq and see the graves of the Thousands who died after being gassed for being Kurdish Muslims. Same religion mind. Just a different church. I haven't even mentioned politics. Hey Steve, how about a couple of free tickets to a film in Northern Ireland? No I wouldn't either. Anyone been to Jakarta lately? How about the Congo?

Too heavy....? I must do something to make light so I will explain how it all started. At least in the middle east..

Abraham was this old dude who for hundreds of years did his best to get his wife Preggors. Nothing. Nada. Zip. So his wife, seeing old Abe getting a bit too old to pop the cork says to him, "Oh Abe? Why not taketh my maidservant into yon tent and Boinketh her? Abe says'"Kooleth". So the maid gets pregnant and old Abe is happy. Until his wife also starts showing a bit of ballast. Hmmmm.... What to do? What to do? say's Abe. Both of these children are mine! One day one says, "I'm the son of Abraham". the other say's Are not!... Am so,...Are not... Am so. The rest is history. At least that's my kanaka.

As for me, I worship God. I don't need a Knuckle Whacking Nun to teach me about mercy or a Minister to teach me to pray. There is no great importance to whom we elect. The wheels are in motion. All I can say is relax.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 20, 2008, 07:02:31 PM
Fi,
That's not how it is or how it went down but I appreciate your thoughts.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 20, 2008, 08:30:09 PM
Quote
I laughed so hard I think I Pee'd a little bit. I'm sure if you could it would certainly help with that nasty smoking habit. I can't quote you but please try to remember you are talking to Americans. We don't speak English.

I would say I'm glad I made you laugh and pee but I don't remember telling a joke. That would mean that you think my views are comedy. What ever blows your skirt up. Now, did you say I can't laugh or that I can't pee? I can actually do both. Usually not at the same time though, but then you always were gifted. I don't smoke though, don't know where you got that. You don't speak english? You did a fly-by with that one. Haven't a clue to what you meant.

the other stuff? yeah yeah yeah

As far as going to Northern Ireland to see a film, sure why not. If I lived closer I would definitely go. The only thing keeping where I am is sheer laziness. It would be roughly 4-5 hour drive to reach the North.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 20, 2008, 08:37:07 PM
You forgot soccer! :) Is  Soccer is called football in Ireland?

Yes. Where did the name soccer come from? Football is where you use your feet only. Its only right. Why American football is called football I'll never know. Its daft. It should be called something like 'throwball'.
I tried to watch a American football match in the states a few years ago. I couldn't do it. The constant ad breaks! I couldn't stick it and I had to leave. I'm a diehard rugby fan. After watching 40 mins of pure rugby action then they get a 10 minute break then 40 more mins of action I find it hard to go back to the start and stop of American football.



A form of football called harpaston was played by ancient Greeks. in the US it was played as early as 1609, in Virginia though in a simpler form. for the ball they used a inflated bladder of a slaughtered pig.

American football has been widely influenced by rugby and is know thought out the wold as guess what?.....Football!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 20, 2008, 09:12:51 PM
OBL, you always crack me up...thanks!  And, Steve, we're heading for the UK in the spring.  Maybe we'll meet at the ol' movie house up north!     :D
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Fi on October 21, 2008, 01:02:00 AM
OBL that was funny. Everyone else sorry if I have been a bit too vocal or offensive with my views. For some reason I got upset by what I thought was general sentiment. Snowbear thanks for the clarification. Joe I've been to Cambodia and Jakarta. Nice places. I believe politics and not religion was the reason for the deaths of so many in Cambodia however. And I would love to go watch a film in Northern Ireland - or maybe prefer a bit of walking around the Giant's Causeway.

Peace everyone.

Joe how's the heart? I've missed reading your posts. 

Anyway,
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 21, 2008, 02:10:49 PM
Steve,
Ok. But remember you made me do it OK?
 Ref: VP Debate page 11 and I quote,  "Not the 'blow myself type' at all,"

Now again I don't know what that means on your side of the planet but think for a moment and see if you can recall what it means in "American"?

Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: chrysochloridae on October 21, 2008, 03:40:59 PM
Im with OBL.... Is there still time to get OBL into the presidential race? I'd vote for all of the above policies!

I think that learning to play Cricket should also be put in as a 'First Ammendment' to your bill OBL.

I would like to see and American football team play Rugby (League or Union).... it would be a bloodbath!

Snowbear: What they play in Ireland doesn't count as Football, or Soccer for that matter! LOL (only kidding!)

i wouldn't wish Gordon Brown on America though - it'd just give him an even bigger cash pot to spend on stuff to ruin both our countries!!!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 21, 2008, 04:40:13 PM
Can't we just talk about Sarah Palin? Yooz Ferners are takin this far too seriously (Doncha know) First they have to win the election. Things could still go either way. Personally I predict yet another Republican landslide.

Don't you think it odd that no other Hawai'ians have voiced their support for O'Bammy excepting for Oprah? I mean people like Nicole Kidman, Tom Selec or Tia Carrerra? Maybe their too busy rolling popcorn balls for haloween?

Hmm. Rugby, Soccer, Cricket, OBL, BBC, near constant rain? It's no wonder you people don't just take turns shooting each other. Thank God there's a continent and 2 oceans between us. I'd die without surfing.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 21, 2008, 05:34:17 PM
Steve,
Ok. But remember you made me do it OK?
 Ref: VP Debate page 11 and I quote,  "Not the 'blow myself type' at all,"

Now again I don't know what that means on your side of the planet but think for a moment and see if you can recall what it means in "American"?

Holy s**t! Now I know how you got to laugh and pee at the same time. It should read 'not blow myself up type'. But I'm not the other type either. I find it difficult to get work done as it is.

And we do have alot of rain but we also have pubs, Guinness and TV. What else do we need really? We don't shoot each other because we couldn't be arsed and for the fact we all don't have guns.

As for your Hawai'ians... Tia Carrere is the only Hawai'ian in your list and she lives in Canada. Tom Selleck is not Magnum P.I. Its just a television show Joe...really, Magnum is not real.

Snowbear: What they play in Ireland doesn't count as Football, or Soccer for that matter! LOL (only kidding!)

What? You wanna step outside and say that?

1. Ireland does play football (as in soccer).  Some pretty damn good players too. Roy Keane, Damien Duff?
We also have gaelic football which is different to football.
2. Cricket is not a sport. Its a chirping insect. Really, I've seen then play it. Not a sport at all.
3. The only real type of rugby is rugby union. Yes, I am biased.


Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 21, 2008, 06:07:21 PM
Really Steve,
Is this whole "Prove it" thing going to be the trend with you? I''l start including references with my posts. Follow this link, Scroll to the bottom then look at the second listing from the top.

http://www.hottimescoolplaces.com/hawaiifamous.htm

As you can see only O'pry has come out in favor of O'Bammy. In all fairness most of the people on the list are dead but that won't stop them from voting.

Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 21, 2008, 06:25:24 PM
Football is called football as you kick the ball with your foot. Soccer should be called "hands off" as your not allowed to touch the white and black ball. :) o rmaybe head ball as you hit with your head. :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 21, 2008, 08:06:48 PM
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 21, 2008, 08:47:34 PM
Good news, both sides have let bygones be bygones and have entered Celebrity Dancing with the Stars. Winner gets the presidency.

(http://www.hahastop.com/pictures/Partners.jpg)




 ;)


Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 21, 2008, 08:57:15 PM
LMAO!! your funny! :) :) :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 22, 2008, 12:02:39 PM
Love the picture Steve.   Especially the gal.  ;)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 22, 2008, 12:39:44 PM
Amazing what they can do with a computer and air brushing! :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 22, 2008, 12:51:40 PM
To be honest I didn't make the picture myself. I found it, but it made me laugh so I put it up. It was probably made in the computer programme 'Photoshop'. Pictures like these are surprisingly easy to make if you have good photos to work with.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 22, 2008, 01:33:45 PM
I just saw it on  CNN news too. It is funny!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: herb on October 22, 2008, 02:25:29 PM

Sarah Palin discussing what she will do once she is vp. This is from an interview on colorado television.


"They're in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom."
-- Sarah Palin, explaining the duties of the vice president to a third-grader
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 22, 2008, 03:32:27 PM
And Obama wants to play Robbin hood and steal from the rich and give to the poor she forgot to add! :) :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 22, 2008, 05:18:00 PM
Look. Steves picture has changed to close up stink eye. Ophry was not a native either but her house is bigger than the Palace grounds of Kamehameha the Great. He's on the list as well and will be voting this year.

O'Bammy is boasting that he now has 150 Million to spend on TV ad's. If he had a hair on his shinny Black butt he would give it to the poor. How about just oh 75 Million perhaps to the people in Darfur or his roots in Niggeria? Why waste it on TV spots to tell us to remember McCain. We remember McCain just fine and will remember him even more in the voting booth.

Can't we just talk about Sarah Palin? Did anyone see her in those skin tight knee high black leather boots? Meeeeyoooow!!!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 22, 2008, 05:27:35 PM
Sarah Palin  is a good looking women Joe and just think she will be our President some day! ;)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 22, 2008, 08:24:02 PM
Look. Steves picture has changed to close up stink eye. Ophry was not a native either but her house is bigger than the Palace grounds of Kamehameha the Great. He's on the list as well and will be voting this year.

O'Bammy is boasting that he now has 150 Million to spend on TV ad's. If he had a hair on his shinny Black butt he would give it to the poor. How about just oh 75 Million perhaps to the people in Darfur or his roots in Niggeria? Why waste it on TV spots to tell us to remember McCain. We remember McCain just fine and will remember him even more in the voting booth.

Can't we just talk about Sarah Palin? Did anyone see her in those skin tight knee high black leather boots? Meeeeyoooow!!!

...and things had calmed down nicely.
 
Niggeria Joe? Seriously?

The worse thing with coming across as intelligent is that people will assume you know the facts. Obamas father is Kenyan. If he was Nigerian I could ask if you misspelt it. But 'Niggeria'? If that was a racial slur, its your life so be what you want to be, but we don't need that rubbish here on the forum. I take personal offense to it.

Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 23, 2008, 09:25:58 AM
THANK GOODNESS THAT THIS WILL ALL BE OVER IN 12 DAYS,and we can giet on with our lives, and let the best couple win.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 23, 2008, 03:54:53 PM
Here you go Steve. Pick any link you want. If you find my posts so terrible, unbearable, unintelligent, Boggotted etc etc etc. Then don't read them. I didn't know spelling would be such a Biiiiiiig deal to you.

http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+%2B+Nigeria&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIH
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 23, 2008, 05:30:30 PM
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGIH&q=obama+%2B+Kenya (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGIH&q=obama+%2B+Kenya)

twice as many links... what does this prove then?
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 23, 2008, 05:45:03 PM
Actually I see no reason not to put it to bed. I am voting for John McCain because he earned it. If he wants the job it's his for the asking. I am also voting for Sarah Palin because if there's a chance we see a woman in the oval office then I want it to be her.

Should it go the other way I think I will go back to the island and never return. Ask yourself who the world will respect? Even Joe Biden said the world will test Obama if elected. Test how? Do you want a man who say's he'll bring the troops home in victory and honor? Or one who's battle cry is cut and run?

I'll stand beside McCain who said, "Do not fear history. Make it".

No Retreat. No Surrender. God save the republic.

I'm Joe A. and I approve this message.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 23, 2008, 08:25:25 PM
I agree with you on this one Joe. I will give McCain my vote and all my respect. He has the experience and deserves it. In my opinion he is best for the job. The media is a bunch of liberals who are one sided and biased. The polls mean nothing. its the polls  on November 4th that count.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 23, 2008, 08:30:38 PM
Who gives a rat's behind how much money Sarah Palin spends on her clothes? or how much money she spent on her kids? People need to get a serious life really! she looks more womanly and feminine then Hillary ever looked. :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 23, 2008, 08:44:27 PM

I don't give a rats behind what she looks like. This isn't a pageant, there is no swimsuit portion of the show. She must be able to be President. Would you vote for her if she was running for President?
~
I don't care who anyone votes for. Not in a bad way, but we each just pick who we like.
I don't mean to keep harping on it but for years Joe I have read your posts and enjoyed them. I don't always agree but you have a fierce truthful streak, you don't suffer fools gladly and you come across as being very intelligent.
We can post, have our arguments, be cheeky and still show respect.
Thats why a few things you have written have made me angry. Put yourself in my shoes and after our run in with what your wrote about Obamas mother, and then I read "Niggeria". Of course I assumed that you wrote it on purpose.

I can't wait till this election is over.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 23, 2008, 09:16:58 PM

I can't wait till this election is over.


[/quote]


Me too! ::)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 23, 2008, 10:25:03 PM

I don't give a rats behind what she looks like. This isn't a pageant, there is no swimsuit portion of the show. She must be able to be President. Would you vote for her if she was running for President?
~
I don't care who anyone votes for. Not in a bad way, but we each just pick who we like.
I don't mean to keep harping on it but for years Joe I have read your posts and enjoyed them. I don't always agree but you have a fierce truthful streak, you don't suffer fools gladly and you come across as being very intelligent.
We can post, have our arguments, be cheeky and still show respect.
Thats why a few things you have written have made me angry. Put yourself in my shoes and after our run in with what your wrote about Obamas mother, and then I read "Niggeria". Of course I assumed that you wrote it on purpose.

I can't wait till this election is over.


I believe its spelled         N-I-C-A-R-A-U-G-A ???
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 24, 2008, 02:41:22 AM
Here you go Steve. Pick any link you want. If you find my posts so terrible, unbearable, unintelligent, Boggotted etc etc etc. Then don't read them. I didn't know spelling would be such a Biiiiiiig deal to you.

http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+Nigeria&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIH

Nicarauga? Actually I think he was talking about Nigeria.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 24, 2008, 05:21:58 AM
Actually I see no reason not to put it to bed. I am voting for John McCain because he earned it. If he wants the job it's his for the asking. I am also voting for Sarah Palin because if there's a chance we see a woman in the oval office then I want it to be her.

Should it go the other way I think I will go back to the island and never return. Ask yourself who the world will respect? Even Joe Biden said the world will test Obama if elected. Test how? Do you want a man who say's he'll bring the troops home in victory and honor? Or one who's battle cry is cut and run?

I'll stand beside McCain who said, "Do not fear history. Make it".

No Retreat. No Surrender. God save the republic.

I'm Joe A. and I approve this message.

McCain hasn't got the guts to do what's right, he's only interested in how big his gun is compared to everyone elses.... same as GW and most Americans... I think he'll win...
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 24, 2008, 06:11:35 AM
Obama is a lier and only tells people what he thinks they want to hear. Obama is not ready with zero experience he has no back bone.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 24, 2008, 08:53:46 AM
OBL, your statement that McCain is short on guts, that guy has more than i have and always will, any one that survived 5 years in HANNO HILTON, and is still walking and not sprouting up flowers has my vote any day and twice on sunday.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 24, 2008, 01:13:49 PM
McCain is a hero to me. A POW and suffered first hand in the prisons. He has scars  to prove it. The man is not getting the respect he so deserves.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: chrysochloridae on October 24, 2008, 01:37:54 PM
Obama is a lier and only tells people what he thinks they want to hear..

I think thats true to say about most politicians in most countries!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 24, 2008, 02:51:58 PM
Well you have a point! some lie more than others.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 24, 2008, 03:04:27 PM
Got CHANGE? Better hide it before Obama takes it! :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 24, 2008, 05:37:38 PM
11 days to go.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 24, 2008, 09:08:29 PM
Then all the Holiday hype starts ;D
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 24, 2008, 09:31:47 PM
'OneBlueLeg' quit stirring the pot  :(  Everyone tells the  "americans" on here to be polite & not express our feelings....then you give that 'ol pot a great big STIR.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Jeff Jester on October 25, 2008, 01:12:45 AM
Well I just spent a long time reading all the posts on this subject. Came to the conclusion there are still a lot of uniform, biased Americans on both sides of this debate.
Facts - It is not mandatory for Muslims to have beards - only the radical Muslims like the Taliban support this. (Who by the way the Americans supplied with weapons and aid when they thought it was in their interest)
         -Most Muslims are just like any other people, working to survive and support their families. It was mentioned that they are all after America's downfall. Actually not true, as the business leaders of the Arab nations know that for them to prosper, America has to prosper. As you can see, when America starts going down the whole world follows. If it keeps on this path then and only then will another country pull the world out of this and they will become the next super power. Follow world history and you will see this is what has happen to every great power that has ruled and then failed. History does repeat itself. Every great power will eventually fail.
          -A lot of fear-monging about Muslims by people that do not know the ordinary Muslim. These people need to talk to others that have actually worked and lived with Muslims. I have spent years doing both. I am still a Christian and probably a more stronger one then ever. And what I have read here is totally false in so much as what the Muslims want. When I worked in Libya (at the time America bombed it) the average person hated how their country was governed but were powerless to change. They were by and far the best Arabs - Muslims I have ever worked with and I would choose them to work with me over most Americans or westerners.   
          - Again as one person has mentioned, would you hire someone aged 72 to do your heart surgery? It is and intricate operation, no less so, then running one of the major countries in the world.
          - Another point was why elect someone with no backbone who will 'cut and run with 4000 American lives already lost'. I guess it would be better to wait until 54,000 American lives are lost then 'cut and run'. Any knowledgeable and sane person knows that this is definitely a no win situation in Iraq. Did the Americans not learn anything from their Vietnam experience? History repeats itself.
          - Someone mentioned that it would not be good for the country to lean toward socialism - free loans, welfare, etc. What do you think the last few years have been?
Come buy a house.
How much do you make?
50k.
Okay.
You qualify for this 300k house. Give us 1k down and mortgage it for 80 years at 2k a month. Don't worry, that will cover the interest and just think in 80 years you will only owe 75k. What a deal. 
Or come buy a new car. NO down payment needed. We will even loan 105% so you can get extras. Don't worry you can afford it.
The above were free loans as you can see with all the loans being defaulted; they are not being paid back, so that has to make them free.
        - It was your government that allowed and encouraged this in the last few years to prop up an ailing economy due to the monies being spent on the military. But hey, at least your not socialists.
         - Someone mentioned that they were relying on their 401k plan for retirement. Last I looked a lot of these plans were heavily invested in the stock market.
         - I really don't care who is elected - An ex-vet who is looking the wrong way down life's road or the inexperienced rookie. It was after all you Americans that put these people on the verge of running your country. Choose as you will.
         - One last small story. America has a vindictiveness that will eventually bring it to its knees. When I grew up, I got into trouble as a teenager in Canada and as a result a criminal record which I might add has since been pardoned by the Canadian government (1989), but guess what, the Americans do not recognized that I no longer have a record and still refuse to let me enter (for those that do not know, American and Canadian police computers are interlinked and when something gets deleted from a Canadian computer it can and will remain on the American computer) . Now I realize most of you will say that it is my own fault, which I agree, but the story is not finished. My mother carries an American passport and my siblings live in California where my mother used to live (she has since moved back to Canada). And even when my parents lived there, I still could not visit them. What kind of country denies a person this? For a simple break and enter that is now over 30 years ago. Never mind that I have made amends and worked hard and lived a honorable life since then. Is it any wonder that most the Americans lack compassion for the ordinary Muslim when they are taught not to? As for me I have long ago given up on the idea of seeing my siblings or their offspring. This is why America has problems these days, lack of morality and judgement. As Joe A says, if he is black he must be Niggerian.

Jeff Jester
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 25, 2008, 08:01:22 AM
Good post Jeff.

...and the pot has been stirred again.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on October 25, 2008, 08:07:57 AM
Everyone tells the  "americans" on here to be polite & not express our feelings....

Not me...
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 25, 2008, 08:12:54 AM
I'll keep my comment to myself!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 25, 2008, 08:27:22 AM
I'll keep my comment to myself!

ah go on. You know you want to.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 25, 2008, 08:55:01 AM
NAH! That's  OK..We are all civil and keeping it down some. Have a good day everyone :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 25, 2008, 09:10:31 AM
Jeff and Steve, wants some good reading material, sit down and read a copy of the KORAN, i did and i dont like what they are teaching thier kids in school and what is says about christians in general.

And i feel that i am not stirring the pot, just stating facts that i have read.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 25, 2008, 09:25:58 AM
Fair play to you for giving it a read. That wasn't a pot stir at all Jack.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 25, 2008, 10:23:47 AM
"Jeff"    You know what, I agree with some of the things you have said...I am sorry that happened to you.  Most Americans would not know about these things.  They would not want this to happen to you.

 I am sure that no matter what we do for iraq & their people as soon as we leave it will start all over again.  You can't change the middle east.  They have always fought among themselves & always will.  It is time for us to start pulling back {with honor} & let them try it on their own. 

It is also true that almost anyone could get loans the last few years...everyone bought items such as large homes they knew they couldn't pay for...  Now they have lost them & have no place to live.  WHO IS TO BLAME?  Both the lender & the buyer.  We all pay now! 

What is the answer.  Should we not send food & medical aid all over the world.  Not help those who have been beat down & oppressed.  Just let them fend for themselves?  How could you live with yourself if you didn't help the people who need it.  You can't take that away from America...we give all over the world.

The election...I do care who wins.  I don't care about their color or religion...I do care who they associate with...
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 25, 2008, 01:11:52 PM
I like your posts. Keep'em coming.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: dotson on October 25, 2008, 01:59:37 PM
Jeff, it is wonderful to read facts from someone so well versed and informed.  Especially with all the posts filled with so much prejudice and ignorance.  This particular election has stirred up more controversy than any I've seen in my life.  No doubt, the reason for that is the mess old George Bush has left this country in after the last eight years.  I hope that no matter who is elected to lead, we can get back to some amount of normalcy.  You hit the nail on the head when you said that all great empires fail.  History does repeat itself.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 25, 2008, 04:55:33 PM
Again its not ignorance or lack of intelligence some people are just not PC and that's their right. why do you assume that? we live in the US you don't.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: guzzitx on October 25, 2008, 11:33:22 PM
          - Again as one person has mentioned, would you hire someone aged 72 to do your heart surgery?

Michael Debakey?
That would have been 27 years ago. You betcha, I would have had him perform surgery in a "heartbeat". ;)
I will not be voting for McCain, or Obama.
And yes, I will be voting.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 26, 2008, 09:48:58 PM
Good Lord, you mean there's someone else to vote for?  Hahahaha....
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 27, 2008, 07:28:42 AM
Good Lord, you mean there's someone else to vote for?  Hahahaha....


Geez. I hope not...two is enough!!!
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 27, 2008, 09:31:47 AM
yes there is it is the INDEPENDENT PARTY, cant for the life of me remember who it is, but it was on our ballets when we voted and sent them in.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: herb on October 27, 2008, 11:15:28 AM
I noticed during the debates that McCain was blinking excessively and since then  some of the O bama commercials have shown footage of McCain blinking a lot.
This quote  is something I saw in Slate online magazine.

"For eight U.S. presidential elections during the period 1960-2004, the rapid blinker during debates received fewer overall votes than his opponent. In seven of these eight elections, the rapid blinker also lost the electoral vote and was defeated at the polls."
-- Journal of Psychology observation, cited on net in reference to McCain blinking 3,000 times during the third debate
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 27, 2008, 12:34:51 PM
I notices during the debate Obama was smiling and laughing at McCain. Now that's intelligence..NOT! :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 27, 2008, 03:53:48 PM
A confident smile can be most disarming...good strategy, I'd say.  And blinking can certainly be a symptom of nervousness, lack of confidence and/or simply lying.   8)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 27, 2008, 03:56:59 PM
So they say! It all means nothing. :D
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 27, 2008, 07:38:29 PM
So what means anything? 

Snowbear, you might as well loosen your grip on McCain: "that other one" is going to win.  He's got the electorate sewn up.  So being stubbornly thick-headed, in the face of the inevitable, is going to leave you with egg all over your face.

 ::)

Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 27, 2008, 07:52:42 PM
8 more days right? tick tock
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 27, 2008, 08:13:20 PM
I will never give up until its over. :D
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: guzzitx on October 27, 2008, 11:12:39 PM
Check your ballot.
There are other names there.
Why have you not heard of them?
The work required to get a name on the ballot is immense.
Think to yourself if the country has gotten noticeably better following the election of any national candidate in the last 50-100 years.

The system is broken.
It is now a manner of dividing the pie amongst the friends of the victor.
All the more reason for most of the populace to side with the victor.
Pick the winning team. Rah-Rah!
Nobody wants to pull for a loser!

So I can "get mine".
Not what is best for the country, but what is best for me.
My, how independent, self-reliant, and strong-willed.
All the things I admire about most of the folks here. :-\
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 28, 2008, 05:03:30 AM
You made some great points. It must be down to cash flow. The big parties have a near inexhaustible source of funds that would let them promote their choice far better than other parties.

I heard on the radio here that two neo-nazi fellas were caught planning to assassinate Obama. Scary.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 28, 2008, 05:58:00 AM
Scary? Not at all. It's monday morning here in Pennsylvania. As of 5:00 am there are 103 confirmed assasination plots against "That One". Now I don't want to see anyone harmed. All I want is for "That One" to show he qualifies to run. By that I mean the basic standards under the constitution. Older than 35. Resident for the past 14 years and a natural citizen.

I will not confirm or deny any spelling errors. I didn't say he was NYJERIOUS. I was pointing out his ties to their alleged government. Doesn't anyone read posts anymore?

Hey.... Steve has a beard! (Hmmmmm.....)

No I will not send you my DD214, High school transcripts, SAT's, GRE's, 1040 or sperm count and yes I would be happy to let a 72 year old heart surgeon work on me. Kind of funny but when it was my butt on the gurney I didn't think to ask the surgeon how old he was.

Meanwhile I have a date with that, "Kodiac Cutie". That, "Caribou Barbie" Sarah Palin this morning in Quakertown where I am again certain she will be winking at me. You've gotta love a woman who's qualified on the AR-15

I'm Joe A. and I still approve this message and if you don't go out in the yard and smooch yer donkey!.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 28, 2008, 06:33:01 AM
...I'm Joe A. and I still approve this message and if you don't go out in the yard and smooch yer donkey!.

I tried, but she kicked me. ;)

(http://xe1.xanga.com/ca0c7a35d7333196465004/m151819076.jpg)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 28, 2008, 06:37:02 AM
"The work required to get a name on the ballot is immense.
Think to yourself if the country has gotten noticeably better following the election of any national candidate in the last 50-100 years."

No it's not. The ballot looks like a bowl of granola. Fruits, nuts and flakes. There are only 2 parties with even a slight chance of winning. The others are a scam to commit fraud by way of campaign donations. So far O'Bammy has raised 660 Million Dollars. That' just about 2 Million Dollars for every man, woman and child on the mainland. All the while his records indicate the average donation at $88.00. It would seem they don't teach arithmatic at Harvard.

Ronald Reagan was the only president to give us peace since 1637. He also created the, "Earned Income Credit" which allowed for a payment from the government to those who qualified. He rebuilt the Nuclear Navy who's budget is still a "Black Op". He was a brilliant world figure who was determined to end the cold war and tear down that wall. I loved him and would have killed or died at his command.

I attended his funeral and held up well until Nancy lost it near the end. So you see that one determined man can make a difference. Remeber it's not about "Your" candidate. It's a temp job. Don't get all worried. No matter who wins they will either do good or in 4 short years, if they live that long without getting the boot, will be looking for another job.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 28, 2008, 06:45:48 AM
The one on the left has pretty eye's
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: guzzitx on October 28, 2008, 07:00:32 AM
bzzzt!  check your math, Joe.
600 million bucks, call it 300 million people if we count illegals.
How bout 2 dollars per?

Reagan got 300 Marines killed for no reason in Beirut.
"cut and ran" the next day. Some tough guy.
Never a corner of the globe we didn't stick our noses.
Yes, it is kinda personal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._Higgins
A distant relative.

I could live pretty well with a pocketful of credit cards and no mailbox.
Conservative?  My left clavicle.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 28, 2008, 08:20:21 AM
The one on the left has pretty eye's

I hate to say it Joe but the one on the left is Harry, my only male 'jack' donkey. The other two are the mares (one is not in the picture)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 28, 2008, 02:47:19 PM
One week left of deciding for whom to vote for. Early voting is going full tilt here, and it looks like the longer than ever at the polls for those of us voting on Tuesday.
I do not read or listen to the polls concerning who is ahead. I don't think they are reliable and as much as I won't change my vote. I know I'm ready for the outcome. I'm obliged my morals to give respect to whom ever is in office. I will not approve of every choice they make and do my civic and moral duty to challenge what lappose.
It is sad that we as people group divide ourselves on the unimportant and fail to see how we can work together amicably towards what we desire for our nation as a whole.
This election we are going to bring the world a little closer to see how we behave as people divide. I hope it isn't our downfall
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on October 28, 2008, 04:10:47 PM
Hmm, that sounds like a wee crack in your resolve...good on ya.  But what's "lappose"?  You got me there.... 8)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on October 28, 2008, 04:38:11 PM
'steve' don't care if he is a {jack} is that what you called him.  What do you use them for...to keep your land clean...and I see they all have dishes of water or food.   Steven you definately have a sensitive side.  I like that!   ;) ann


Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on October 28, 2008, 05:15:06 PM

My donkeys are really just big hairy pets. Harry (on the left) Dubhie ('dove-ee' which is Irish for the colour black is in the middle. Actually it means 'Blacky''. A good horse like name.) and Laith ('Lee-ah' which is Irish for grey is on the right) Munch (not in the pic) wasn't born yet when this was taken. Her Mother is Dubhie.
Yes, they keep the grass short and clear away some rubbish plant/weeds. Unfortunately they also eat oak and pine saplings as I found out. In the winter I feed them hay and 'crunch' in buckets. Crunch looks a bit like muesli.
I also have a dog and twin cat kittens (nearly grown).
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: snowbear on October 28, 2008, 05:49:59 PM
Oh another thing we have in common besids our amputation. I also love animals! :)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 29, 2008, 06:48:00 PM
If you take a few hundred head of Longhorns and mix A-1 in with their feed would they marinate on the hoof? I think they should try it on Mythbusters.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on October 29, 2008, 06:55:04 PM
See that's why we won't let Jeff back in the country. Any Marine withing 5 feet of another Marine in a combat zone is a Dead Marine. They know that. Had I been there I would have been sleeping outside under a truck. Kids today! You just can't teach them.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on October 30, 2008, 09:06:46 AM
Joe, it wont work it just makes them dang longhorn meaner if you feed them A-1, and they are ornery enough with out helping them along. Sorry might of tasted good.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Dick Stevens on November 01, 2008, 02:08:51 AM
Snowbear:

What you said about pulling together as a nation makes alot of sense.  Unfortunately, I don't see that happening.  If you listen to the politicians - not just at election time - most are far more loyal to their Party than to their Nation.  Sad, but true!    :(

After the attacks of 9/11, Americans pulled together in unity for a few days of grief.  But, within 2 or 3 weeks, it was back to business as usual.  Almost every sentence includes "Those damned [other party].  It's all their fault."   As long as the teams of horses are pulling in opposite directions, this country will never achieve the greatness it could.

Hey, Joe:  At least Steve's donkeys aren't wearing lipstick.  I hope you enjoyed winking at Sarah in Q'town a few days ago.    ;)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: frank on November 01, 2008, 03:42:02 PM
Today's LA times has a short story buried in the back of the main section about Obama's aunt living in the US illegally (in public housing no less). If this was a Palin relative, do you think this might be on the front page? When asked, Obama's position is that he didn't know. Sounds like an "I didn't inhale" answer. If he becomes Pres. does he deport her?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-briefs1-2008nov01,0,5636273.story
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on November 01, 2008, 10:23:09 PM
Oh, for God's sake, does it matter?  Does he really have to be saint to be president?  AND his whole extended family?  And I don't much care about Sarah Palin's aunt either...if she has any.  Jeesh! 

What really irks me is that it's fairly obvious that McCain picked Sarah Palin to pick up the Hillary Clinton crowd...and that is such an insult to Hillary.  There is absolutely no comparison...except that they're both women!  Haha. 

Actually it's an insult to ALL women.  If they've got T&A, by golly they must be the same, eh?  Nobody'll know the difference....hmm. 
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on November 02, 2008, 07:08:33 AM
just a few more days...
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on November 02, 2008, 07:52:50 AM
Myff & Steve, I don't think Tuesday {election} will be over that day.  It is running too close plus the mess with the ballads in the swing states.  Probably will be weeks before it is sorted out.  Especially in Ohio, Pennsylvania & Florida.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: pegleg jack on November 02, 2008, 09:03:31 AM
Then all of this crap about his birth certificate and his aunt are going to have to be addressed, have a feeling that it is going to be a real mess for a while, worst that it was last time with FLORIDA.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Oneblueleg on November 02, 2008, 12:02:34 PM
Palin is priceless..... to Obama...  ;D

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=irklZ-iZjhI (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=irklZ-iZjhI)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3kiW0S-LJvI&feature=related (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3kiW0S-LJvI&feature=related)
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: ann on November 02, 2008, 07:16:14 PM
'OneBlueLeg'  you are not playing nice. :(
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Myffanwy on November 02, 2008, 08:30:27 PM
No, not nice...but true.  She sunk her own ship. 
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Steve C on November 02, 2008, 10:07:12 PM
What she said was not very impressive to say the least. It showed me a person not ready for the vice presidency. Not even close. Even though I am a Obama supporter I must say that the programmes and the hosts themselves did have a obvious slant. That would make me heed what she said, but not anything else. I would rather just watch the actual interview without all the bashing. I don't like being told what to believe.
I want to hear it straight from the horses mouth and then I can make up my own mind. For that, refer to my second sentence.
Title: Re: VP Debate
Post by: Joe A. on November 03, 2008, 05:15:45 AM
Hi Dick. Where have you been? No show in Quakertown. It got snowed out. Did you get caught in the blackout?