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Title: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: allen-uk on May 06, 2008, 09:53:30 AM
I received the following Notice from the Limbless Association, to which some of us also subscribe:

NOTICE:

The Limbless Association Forum has been hacked and we no longer have control over the forum. I would advise you and all forum members to avoid using the forum until further notice. The LA website will be taken down soon and we hope to launch a new much improved and updated website
in 8 weeks time.

Best Wishes,
Maria Jones
Fundraising & Events Officer
The Limbless Association
Queen Mary's Hospital
Roehampton Lane
London
SW15 5PN
t 020 8487 6036
f 020 8788 3444

END OF NOTICE

Hopefully other members will also receive this via personal email.


_________________
Allen-UK, London, left bka.
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Steve C on May 06, 2008, 12:04:29 PM
hackers, spammers ... blast them all into space.
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Oneblueleg on May 06, 2008, 12:26:36 PM
Many thanks for letting us know Allen...
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: teo on May 09, 2008, 05:44:47 PM
Now, that's just not right mentioning hackers and spammers in same light.  I used to hack .ASP sites as a hobby but I would always be discrete and I would always make sure no permanent harm is done to the website. 

Some hackers hack for profit and cause harm but most hackers are harmless hobbyists simply exploring boundaries of cyberspace.  On the other hand, spammers always spam trying to make money and there is no other motive than profit. 
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Sparky on May 09, 2008, 08:31:18 PM
Thanks for letting us know, Allen.
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Dick Stevens on May 09, 2008, 09:45:38 PM
Steve:

My sentiments, exactly.  But Teo has a point.  Once in a blue moon I've seen the work of a skillful yet harmless hacker.  The one I remember from years back: At Christmastime, Santa Claus appeared riding his sleigh across the screen at unexpected moments, otherwise not unterrupting the program in progress.  Then the day after Christmas disappeared, never to be seen again.

Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Steve C on May 10, 2008, 06:34:49 AM
Teo,
I understand what your saying and maybe if I were to study it I would feel different. But I just think of it as if I were hacked. Even if they did nothing, I would not be pleased. I would be like (although obviously not as bad) if someone was to break into my house and just look around and leave.
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: pegleg jack on May 10, 2008, 09:42:06 AM
TEO, Felt that i need to answer your posts in this way, i just spent the last 3 months getting rid of the spammers on my email box cause my grandson felt that i didn't need the spam blocker on there, they must of sold or given my email address to up-teen number of people, it is now fun spending a couple of hours every day cleaning up you site so that you can read what the real people are trying to send to you.

That is one of the main reasons that MICHEAL, spent the time and effort to change the forum site here, is because there were some of us that spent a lot of time cleaning up the forum site everyday to get the spam message off so that is was not offensive to others.

They were not costing the site money, but time is money to some people and i for one doesnot like to have to sort through a lot of porn and adds for pills just to read what other amputee's are say and asking for help.

Please dint feel that i am trying to come down on you in any way, this is just how i feel about hackers and spammers
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Sparky on May 10, 2008, 10:15:59 AM
PLJ  Steve, I couldn't agree with you more. Last year I ended up changing ISP and email address due to spam.
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: teo on May 10, 2008, 01:32:28 PM
Obviously, there are people out there who have never heard of spam filter or blocker.  Many ISP offer it free of charge and if you have msn or yahoo e-mail, it's also provided free. 

Why aren't people using spam filters or blockers when it's provided free of charge?  Because people are ignorant.  Because there are people who have trouble adopting to new technology.   

Why can't people tell the difference between spamming vs. hacking?  Because people are ignorant. LOL

There are programmers whose job is to hack into system all day and implement security measures.  These programmers are called, yes hackers. 

Understand what you are talking about before blindly criticizing it. 
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Steve C on May 10, 2008, 05:23:12 PM
Teo,

Yes there is a difference between spammers and hackers.

Spammers send countless unwanted emails that can send the most level-headed person in seizures and they can shut down a forum in days by clogging up the posts making it impossible to use it.

Hackers on the other hand somehow get into computers or computer systems in companies via phonelines (?) in order to get information. (IE: credit card numbers, passwords etc for the 'freelance criminal hacker'). They are why 'firewalls' were made for computers, from what I understand.

Now I assume you mean 'ignorant' in the literal translation as in that we simply do not know, and not the slang which is a bit of an insult.

I am not talking hackers that are employed by companies to find fault tin their own systems but rather the hackers who get into MY computer or any computer where they are not invited. Basically like the hacker than made the HM site shut down...
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: teo on May 10, 2008, 10:55:42 PM
Steve, what you are referring to is not "hacking" but "cracking."  Crackers crack passwords etc. using cracking software & has nothing to do with hacking.  Cracking requires no program knowledge and it can be done by anyone who wants to steal information of value such as credit card #, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_cracking

I can't believe some people's ignorance about what hacking really is.  Below is a link which is typical of what hacking is all about. 

http://www.engadget.com/2004/12/08/how-to-hacking-the-ipod-firmware-changing-the-graphics/

There is nothing illegal or immoral about vast majority of hacking. 

Steve, using your IP, I can track you down and locate your home.  With googel earth, I can survey your house, obtain dimensions, even learn what kind of car, if any, you drive.  You may not like what I do but I am simply utilizing public information available to anyone free of charge. 

Hacking is not a criminal activity.  Here is a definition of hacker on Wikipedia. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker 

I hope you read it and I hope you can learn why your statement is offensive and simply wrong.
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Sparky on May 11, 2008, 03:47:13 AM
Obviously, there are people out there who have never heard of spam filter or blocker. 

Or maybe some ISPs can't keep up with the the endless counter measures needed as the spammers find work a rounds for the blocks and filters. I have always used blockers and filters, but the fact is once your email address gets targeted you end up spending more time dealing with that than reading the mails that count. I think that Identity theft is the real issue. The easiest way to have your identity stolen is to use file sharing, Windows provides two methods for sharing files directly from your computer. You can share files from any folder on your computer. Anyone with limited computer knowledge could potentially have access to all your personal files.
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: allen-uk on May 11, 2008, 05:41:39 AM
Teo.

a) don't be cross. Life's too short.

b) not sure you're 100% right on the ability (without a court order) to locate precisely an IP address. Demonstrate with mine, if you like, which is 81.100.102.35.

Allen.
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Steve C on May 11, 2008, 07:01:14 AM
Alright, I went and viewed 'hacker' on wikipedia.
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Hacker attitudes
The term "Hacker" may mean simply a person with mastery of computers; however the mass media most often uses "Hacker" as synonymous with a (usually criminal) computer intruder.

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Black Hat
A black hat hacker is someone who subverts computer security without authorization or who uses technology (usually a computer or the Internet) for terrorism, vandalism(malicious destruction), credit card fraud, identity theft, intellectual property theft, or many other types of crime. This can mean taking control of a remote computer through a network, or software cracking.

It appears that hacker means different things to different people. Of course I am not going to know all the specific terminology for this sort of thing. Why would I? Maybe if I lived in Seattle and worked as a IT specialist maybe I would, but my life and where I live are nearly the opposite to that.
When I use the termer hacker I am referring to the 'black hat hacker' or even the 'grey hat hacker' as per wikipedia terminology. If a hacker is simply improving his or her programmes, fair play to them. No matter what term is used, I have a problem with anyone who invades my privacy for whatever reasons.

now, I am not on this forum to argue about hackers, crackers, lunch meat or double knit jumpsuits. I am here to talk about legs (or a lack there of).
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: teo on May 11, 2008, 02:56:04 PM
Allen, I am not trying to piss anyone off.  Just wanted to point out that streotyping of any class of people is wrong.  According to IP you provided, you live in Bournemouth England. For satelite view of your house, you can go to

http://www.ip-adress.com

or many other similar sites offering IP address locator.  just type "IP locate" or "IP locations" in google.com.
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Oneblueleg on May 11, 2008, 03:51:04 PM
Allen, I am trying to piss anyone off.  Just wanted to point out that streotyping of any class of people is wrong.  According to IP you provided, you live in Bournemouth England. For satelite view of your house, you can go to

http://www.ip-adress.com

or many other similar sites offering IP address locator.  just type "IP locate" or "IP locations" in google.com.

How did you get Bouremouth, surely it's London?
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Dick Stevens on May 11, 2008, 04:50:33 PM
Teo:

In a word, "Cool your jets."

As Steve says, this is a forum for amputees to share amputee-related issues.  While this discussion of "hacking" is interesting,  to label anyone who not as savvy as you on such matters as "offensive" or "ignorant" seems a bit out of line here.  There is a way to share your apparent expertise within making those of us who may be techologically-challenged feel ill-at-ease.  Try re-reading your previous post, and see how it may be seen as a put-down by some.

And Steve has a good point.  I really don't want you wandering thru my house uninvited, even if you don't steal anything.  For in fact, you would have stolen my privacy.  I may be touchy, but I don't welcome you snooping around my hard-drive, no matter what your intentions may be.
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Oneblueleg on May 12, 2008, 03:31:25 AM
By the way teo, I've tested this IP addess link you supplied and it's miles out, so I won't be worrying too much.
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Sparky on May 12, 2008, 06:51:20 AM
Ian, Allen used his ISP's gateway (The default address of a network or Web site. It provides a single domain name and point of entry to the site. IE. your ISP ) IP address. 

Like Steve C, I'm here for amputee related stuff. Steve, "double knit jumpsuits" out of interest would you argue for or against?
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: pegleg jack on May 12, 2008, 08:30:56 AM
TO-ALL, that have posted on this subject, IT HAS GONE FAR ENOUGH WILL LEAVE THIS UNLOCK FOR ONE MORE DAY AND THEN I WILL LOCK IT OR DELETE IT. THIS FORUM IS FOR AMPUTEE'S TO RELATE TO THEIR NEEDS AND TRY AND HELP OTHERS OUT IN THING THAT THEY KNOW AND HAVE HAD SUCCESS WITH, AND IT DOSENT HAVE ANY THING TO DO WITH HACKERS OR SPAMMERS, END OF DISCUSSION.
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Oneblueleg on May 12, 2008, 10:00:32 AM
TO-ALL, that have posted on this subject, IT HAS GONE FAR ENOUGH WILL LEAVE THIS UNLOCK FOR ONE MORE DAY AND THEN I WILL LOCK IT OR DELETE IT. THIS FORUM IS FOR AMPUTEE'S TO RELATE TO THEIR NEEDS AND TRY AND HELP OTHERS OUT IN THING THAT THEY KNOW AND HAVE HAD SUCCESS WITH, AND IT DOSENT HAVE ANY THING TO DO WITH HACKERS OR SPAMMERS, END OF DISCUSSION.

Spoil sport... :P ;)
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: allen-uk on May 12, 2008, 10:29:03 AM
Alright Jack, but before you pull the plug, can I just have a quick word?

Teo: you say : "Allen, I am trying to piss anyone off."
Fair enough. It's either an Unusually Frank Admission, or a Freudian Slip.

Dick et al: I wouldn't worry about Teo's murky clients creeping round your house, as a) my IP address of Bournemouth is about one hundred miles away from my real home in London, and b) even if he'd got closer, i.e. London, he'd still have 12 million doors to knock down before he found me.

Peace and love, Teo. (And stop yelling, Jack!)


Allen, London, England, UK.
Title: Re: Limbless Association Website - out-of-action
Post by: Steve C on May 12, 2008, 11:31:31 AM
Double knit jumpsuits? Definitely, but not near open flame.