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Offline Oneblueleg

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« Reply #60 on: July 31, 2009, 08:20:10 AM »
Universal Health care just put me out of business.

That's an American problem that doesn't relate to here, or our NHS.

I struggle to get your point sometimes with all the flowery language (don't stop doing that though, everyone likes it I'm sure), but what I take from it is 'I'm alright Jack'...

Employers having to cover medical costs... that doesn't happen here.... it can, and it does, but it doesn't have to... it's a perk, not a requierment... help me please...

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« Reply #61 on: July 31, 2009, 08:48:58 AM »
Oneblueleg:

Yes, we are indeed divided by a common language. But it's more than that. The past few decades in this country have seen the acceleration of our island's move across the Atlantic. 

There was a time when we saw the poor as unfortunate, the sick as worthy of our help and charity, and honest mistakes as just that, honest mistakes.

Now we, like Joe, blame the poor for being poor, see the sick as potential customers of profitable private clinics, and as for honest mistakes? Just call a lawyer.

I first noticed the Blame Culture about 40 years ago when I heard some barmy US general BLAMING the Vietnamese people for fighting his troops when all they were doing was trying to CIVILISE them.

Sometimes I think I see a small flame from 3 or 4 thousand miles westward, but often it flickers and dies.

The heck with it, just blame me.

After all, as a liberal /
socialist /
Marxist /
tree-hugger /
vegetarian /
bearded / 
you name it I'm at it,
I'm well in the frame.

I expect a Writ by return.


Allen.

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« Reply #62 on: July 31, 2009, 10:59:40 AM »
Allen,


No, we blame the poor & homeless because they will not help themselves.  Any one of us could lay around and expect the goodness of people to take care of us. {I know I am going to get slammed} ::)    but for the most, its the truth.  The people who have mental problems should be gathered up and we should make sure they are hospitalized for medication and help.


At the present time, we have alot who have been laid off....I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE.    :)


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« Reply #63 on: July 31, 2009, 02:36:44 PM »
Ann:

You say "We blame the poor and homeless...."

Then you add: "At the present time, we have alot who have been laid off....I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE.    "

But, guess what!  Those who have been laid off ARE are part of the poor and homeless, now. (your neighbor and mine)

It's too easy to blame the "Poor and Homeless" for their own poor fortune...to write them off as the dregs of society....to say to ourselves, "It's their OWN damn fault." 

Hmmm ...... How many Americans are living just one or two paychecks away from homelessness?  Look down your street and count the foreclosure sale signs.  Who's next?



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« Reply #64 on: July 31, 2009, 02:50:46 PM »
Allen:

Gotta admit there's a whole fat-cat medical establishment and profitable insurance industry who are fighting tooth-and-nail to scare Americans away from anything that resembles an NHS.  They have an enormous Cash Cow to protect.

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« Reply #65 on: July 31, 2009, 04:18:42 PM »
Ah, Dick. One of the flames that refuses to die.

Yes indeed, and I wish I was defending some European Utopia on this one, but unfortunately what with our general slavish admiration of all things American, plus Thatcher (and her heirs and successors) in many ways we are a US state in all but constitution. We worship the same gods now.

(Lest I be misinterpreted: there are many American 'things' of which I am an admirer. Big Pharma and all its offshoots is not among them).


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« Reply #66 on: July 31, 2009, 05:16:49 PM »
OBL,
I don't understand your post but I tend to be verbose because I am not typing. I use a program that I dictate into and it types for me.To understand the language you need to understand who I am and why I choose the words I use. In America on the Mainland, that would be the 48 contiguous states, we speak "American". The bastard son of many languages with roots in both Greek and Latin.

Ok so far?

In Hawai'i the 50th state we speak the "Queens" English. The once free and sovereign nation of Hawai'i had very strong ties with England and you will see your Union Jack in the upper left hand corner of the Hawaiian state flag. We also speak "Pidgin". A combination of Hawaiian, Samoan, French and English mixed with slang roasted over a fire of inflection and served with a side order of Da kine talk. You Sabby? If hahd for dem den go book'em Danno.

The machine I use does a fair job of understanding me and I thought it would be easy for you to grasp as well. So if you ever have a question regarding anything at all you can post here or mail me at the address below. I am rarely being sarcastic because I feel it is lost or misunderstood in this epistolary form of communication.

Ann,
About 15 years ago the government began closing down mental institutions in an effort to reduce costs and "Help" people re-enter main stream society. The result was homelessness for thousands. In Philadelphia they closed a huge hospital called Byberry. Many years later they discovered a dead body still in the morgue of the abandoned building. Makes one wonder if the sick aren't better off living in the subway tunnels.

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Dick, Allen,
It would scare me if I had to buy my medicine from a small company. The whole thing got so big it imploded on itself. We once had people of great wealth who were philanthropists. People like Vanderbilt, Mellon, Carnegie, Hershey. Where are all the industrial giants who built the homes and legends now only smoky dreams? The money went offshore. People can't afford to build colleges like Duke, Colgate.
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« Reply #67 on: July 31, 2009, 07:31:33 PM »
Ah, Joe.  Dear friend and fellow-Pennsylvanian.  Time is slipping past you quicker than you think.  Here in PA, the great campaign to close mental institutions began a lot earlier than 15 years ago - more like 35 to 40 years ago.  Back in my earlier years, when I was a social worker for the City of Philadelphia, the movement was afoot.  We were busy opening community-based group homes for retarded (dated term??) children and adults.  I was involved in opening Phila's first....in 1970.

Pennhurst State School was closed and re-emerged as some sort of VA facility.  Cresson State School closed and became a state prison.  Haverford State Hospital evaporated.  Many buildings at Norristown State are closed or used for other purposes.  Norristown State's farmland is now a bunch of pricey homes.

BUT, while institutions for the mentally deficient or mentally daft are going out of fashion, the state's prison system is a booming business.  Recently built prisons in Montgomery, Chester, and Philadelphia counties, just to name a few.  Talk of a new prison at Graterford to replace the old one.

Excuse me, List.  These are names in eastern PA that Joe will recognize .... right, Joe?

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« Reply #68 on: August 01, 2009, 03:12:29 AM »
Successfully side stepped Joe... ::)

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« Reply #69 on: August 02, 2009, 12:03:48 AM »
OneBlueLeg:

Touche'   Yeah, I guess Joe and I both side-stepped these places, at least as residents/patients/inmates.  Most of them are within an hour's drive of both our homes.

As a social worker, and later as a pastor, I've had occasion to visit all of these places.  Fortunately, they always let me out at the end of the visit.   :)

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« Reply #70 on: August 03, 2009, 03:34:00 PM »
Yes but all of these facilities were government owned and operated. It is this less than stellar history that frightens us all. We have seen what the government has done to people. Of course I recognize all of these facilities. The poor devils are probably better off in prison. Prisons are full of people with mental health issues.

Who sidestepped me? I thought I was an active participant in the conversation?
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« Reply #71 on: August 03, 2009, 06:09:56 PM »
Joe:

No one is side-stepping you in the conversation (as if we could).  I think we're acknowledging that you and I both side-stepped being residents/patients/inmates in all of these infamous state institutions.

Of course, if we want to see some looney governmental institutions, just look at the Congress, and the legislatures of the various states.

If you remember the Jack Nickelson movie "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", you'll appreciate an article about the 17-member Philadelphia City Council, which was entitled "Seventeen Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
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« Reply #72 on: August 06, 2009, 05:56:08 PM »
Yes. It's a shame they closed Eastern State. The Haverford Hospital was resurrected by the Good Sisters of Mercy. I don't think it's a mental institution though. I think this whole country has flown over the Cuckoo's nest lately. Between the war, the presiden' and everything else it's hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys. Bammy's true colors show when he does such things as call police procedures done "stupidly". What police academy did he attend? What war college did he attend? The man knows nothing about how to defend a nation or a neighborhood. Ask any Towelhead and they'll tell you it's easier to shoot a Marine in the back than to face one head on.
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« Reply #73 on: August 07, 2009, 09:56:06 AM »


You nailed that one Joe  :)